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How far the world has fallen from Linux, MySQL, SpringBoot, and HTML/CSS/JS

spdebbarma 5y ago
You can only live in the past for so long. To bystanders, you're falling behind by being cynical and ignorant of newer solutions. Don't get me wrong. The world still uses the technology you mentioned at large, but the industry has in-fact built upon and grown alongside older technology.
- mhd 5y ago
  I don't want to seem like I'm defending SpringBoot, ferchrissakes, but still fail to see a big impact of PWAs. Especially a positive one for the user, not mere ad clicks. In general, the whole rich web app space reminds me of the "You're not making Christianity better, you're making Rock'n Roll worse" meme.
  - sushsjsuauahab 5y ago
    I am genuinely shocked that people don't like spring boot? It is very performant, open, and ergonomic in my experience.
    - mhd 5y ago
      2021 Spring and Maven could buy me chocolates and flowers all day long, I wouldn't forget what they did to me in the past... But seriously, I'm okay with working with SB when I have to, but quite often in those situations Java wouldn't be my first choice, and it's still all the putrescence of proper Spring underneath. A framework for a framework, with a bit too much magic for me. Explicit is better than implicit.
- sushsjsuauahab 5y ago
  While I certainly can fathom that other newer technologies are capable of solving interesting problems, I think my assertion is that the additional value they provide is not worth the risks involved in trying them.
tehbeard 5y ago
The world has moved on from a beige box on a desk with a fat physical link made of copper and fibre. Allowing users to work when their mobile signal is spotty is pretty good UX for those that don't deal in a office cubical or wfh. Yes you could argue that native mobile apps have that covered... But should it be that you have two proprietary "standards", and only those two? For "trivial" apps that are just data entry/query? Why do I need 124mb for the app code alone of Twitter, when the web version is closer to ~7mb (ang don't start the argument about 7mb being obscene for a website, please. we're discussing a web APP, not grandma's cooking blog). Plenty of sites are still on the "Linux, MySQL, SpringBoot, and HTML/CSS/JS" stack or equiv. We just have tools now that let us add "works while you're on a train where the internewt is unreliable" to the featureset.
- sushsjsuauahab 5y ago
  Wait, are you saying that the stack I mentioned doesn't work well on mobile? Because I've coded and tested everything myself-- my sites are infinitely better on mobile compared to anything written in react

You can only live in the past for so long. To bystanders, you're falling behind by being cynical and ignorant of newer solutions. Don't get me wrong. The world still uses the technology you mentioned at large, but the industry has in-fact built upon and grown alongside older technology.

mhd 5y ago
I don't want to seem like I'm defending SpringBoot, ferchrissakes, but still fail to see a big impact of PWAs. Especially a positive one for the user, not mere ad clicks. In general, the whole rich web app space reminds me of the "You're not making Christianity better, you're making Rock'n Roll worse" meme.
- sushsjsuauahab 5y ago
  I am genuinely shocked that people don't like spring boot? It is very performant, open, and ergonomic in my experience.
  - mhd 5y ago
    2021 Spring and Maven could buy me chocolates and flowers all day long, I wouldn't forget what they did to me in the past... But seriously, I'm okay with working with SB when I have to, but quite often in those situations Java wouldn't be my first choice, and it's still all the putrescence of proper Spring underneath. A framework for a framework, with a bit too much magic for me. Explicit is better than implicit.
sushsjsuauahab 5y ago
While I certainly can fathom that other newer technologies are capable of solving interesting problems, I think my assertion is that the additional value they provide is not worth the risks involved in trying them.

tehbeard 5y ago

The world has moved on from a beige box on a desk with a fat physical link made of copper and fibre. Allowing users to work when their mobile signal is spotty is pretty good UX for those that don't deal in a office cubical or wfh. Yes you could argue that native mobile apps have that covered... But should it be that you have two proprietary "standards", and only those two? For "trivial" apps that are just data entry/query? Why do I need 124mb for the app code alone of Twitter, when the web version is closer to ~7mb (ang don't start the argument about 7mb being obscene for a website, please. we're discussing a web APP, not grandma's cooking blog). Plenty of sites are still on the "Linux, MySQL, SpringBoot, and HTML/CSS/JS" stack or equiv. We just have tools now that let us add "works while you're on a train where the internewt is unreliable" to the featureset.

sushsjsuauahab 5y ago
Wait, are you saying that the stack I mentioned doesn't work well on mobile? Because I've coded and tested everything myself-- my sites are infinitely better on mobile compared to anything written in react