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> Do people on this site really want Bezos to give up How about not blocking everybody else constantly suing everybody and delaying the process. If he actually

> Do people on this site really want Bezos to give up How about not blocking everybody else constantly suing everybody and delaying the process. If he actually wanted to achieve a goal, that's what he would do. Bezos is driven by pride more then anything else. It was clear that SpaceX was way ahead of them in terms of rockets. Instead of leveraging that and investing in space station or moon lander, they had to 'beat' SpaceX at rockets. BO has been chasing its own tail and then suing everybody and claiming everything is unfair. For a company that has achieved mostly nothing, to claim everybody else shouldn't get contracts and that they would be better is just the hight of arrogance. Not surprising it has left many space fans with a bad taste. Additionally, this is a station that will only be build for a government contract. BO might be willing to spend actual money on idealism, but Boeing and Sierra are not. > I'm starting to get the impression many on this site aren't really pro-space, they are just pro-Musk. Maybe they are pro companies who actually achieve things and are not happy that the can finally sue everybody to 'flex their legal muscle' as BO CEO actually said. Nobody dislikes Firefly, RocketLab, Relativity or any number of other space companies.

worrycue 5y ago
> Bezos is driven by pride more then anything else. I don’t know. If his ego is so wrapped up in it wouldn’t he be putting more effort into Blue Origin? BO is mostly run by people he hired no? Why is he suing? I don’t know. Maybe he does feel his company isn’t given the fair opportunity to participate. Frankly if it’s prideful behavior you have a problem with, Musk isn’t doing too hot in that department either. Remember when he slandered that British guy helping to free kids trapped in a cave in Thailand, damaging the guy’s reputation? All because the guy called him out on his publicity stunt. Or the time he attacked CNN over ventilators although all CNN did was report the news verbatim - imagine being so hard up for recognition over what is supposed to be an act of charity. In the worst case, we have 3 prideful billionaires trying to get into space. Yet Musk is the only one getting good press … while the other 2 get nothing but negativity and equally accomplished but relatively poorly funded companies like ULA, no one really talks about.
- panick21_ 5y ago
  > Why is he suing? I don’t know. Maybe he does feel his company isn’t given the fair opportunity to participate. Well, but here is the thing, they weren't. The already complained to GAO and the GAO confirmed that the competition was fair. Usually that is the end of it, but the continued on suing. The are literally delaying the nations moon program. Bezos himself said in an interview a few years back that the reasons we can't do Appollo today was that the losers in the competition would sue. He called this the biggest problem in modern space flight. And then a few years later he turns around doing exactly that. Talk about being part of the problem. > Frankly if it’s prideful behavior you have a problem with, Musk isn’t doing too hot in that department either. What national program has Musk delayed? > Remember when he slandered that British guy helping to free kids trapped in a cave in Thailand, damaging the guy’s reputation? All because the guy called him out on his publicity stunt. The British guy who also didn't actually do anything and was jealous that he didn't get much attention and attacked him first by slandering him in the media? This made Musk look like an asshole to be sure, but it was not out of nowhere. If you actually read beyond the slanderous headline, the story is quite different. The SpaceX team talked to the actual diving team, they worked with them for a specific backup scenario that the divers said could a be a problem. The 'submarine' was never thought to be 'the solution', as was heavy implied by the media, and they never tried to make this the general solution. And it was not a 'publicity stunt', Musk and a group of SpaceX engineers went there to help. It generated an absurd amount of attention because Musk tweets are so wide reaching, but he was just tweeting what they were doing. Media then latched on to the story because the 'clueless billionair builds submarine' apparently generated more clicks then 'Team of SpaceX engineers works with divers on backup solution'- > Or the time he attacked CNN over ventilators although all CNN did was report the news verbatim - imagine being so hard up for recognition over what is supposed to be an act of charity. So attacking CNN over false reporting is somehow bad now? They basically made fun of him because apparently he had order the wrong ventilators during Covid. Another repeat of the 'arrogant clueless Musk only craves attention' story the media endlessly repeats. Turns out, because Tesla was very involved in China they had talked to hospitals in China they had learned what machines were likely to be required and they ordered those machines. Later it was confirmed by multiple hospitals that they had gotten the machines and that they were indeed very helpful. This part of course was never reported. > In the worst case, we have 3 prideful billionaires trying to get into space. Musk wasn't even a billionaire when SpaceX started. SpaceX has been a well operated commercial business for a long time now. Musk is a partly billionair because of SpaceX, its not that he was a billionaires and then decide to play around in space. And Musk is not even really trying to go to space himself primarly, if he wanted to he could have years ago. > Yet Musk is the only one getting good press … while the other 2 get nothing but negativity and equally accomplished but relatively poorly funded companies like ULA, no one really talks about. The other two are getting bad press because they are selling vanity roller-coaster rides. Branson project is consistently lying about capability to boost the public stock and they have a terrible technical solution that has killed multiple people already. BlueOrigin gets bad press because they insert themselves into every program and demand to be treated like an accomplished space company when they have never delivered a single product despite having an absurd amount of resources to spend. And then when they fail they sue everybody and claim that their propels were better. SpaceX gets good press because they have successfully accomplished one difficult program after another at low cost to the government. Not sure why it is surprising that companies who execute well under budget and achieve amazing should get more good press. If you think ULA is 'equally accomplished' to SpaceX you are totally misinformed about the space industry. And among actual space fans and not the general media that is totally clueless anyway, everybody knows perfectly well what ULA does and they are talked about quite often.

worrycue 5y ago

> Bezos is driven by pride more then anything else. I don’t know. If his ego is so wrapped up in it wouldn’t he be putting more effort into Blue Origin? BO is mostly run by people he hired no? Why is he suing? I don’t know. Maybe he does feel his company isn’t given the fair opportunity to participate. Frankly if it’s prideful behavior you have a problem with, Musk isn’t doing too hot in that department either. Remember when he slandered that British guy helping to free kids trapped in a cave in Thailand, damaging the guy’s reputation? All because the guy called him out on his publicity stunt. Or the time he attacked CNN over ventilators although all CNN did was report the news verbatim - imagine being so hard up for recognition over what is supposed to be an act of charity. In the worst case, we have 3 prideful billionaires trying to get into space. Yet Musk is the only one getting good press … while the other 2 get nothing but negativity and equally accomplished but relatively poorly funded companies like ULA, no one really talks about.

panick21_ 5y ago
> Why is he suing? I don’t know. Maybe he does feel his company isn’t given the fair opportunity to participate. Well, but here is the thing, they weren't. The already complained to GAO and the GAO confirmed that the competition was fair. Usually that is the end of it, but the continued on suing. The are literally delaying the nations moon program. Bezos himself said in an interview a few years back that the reasons we can't do Appollo today was that the losers in the competition would sue. He called this the biggest problem in modern space flight. And then a few years later he turns around doing exactly that. Talk about being part of the problem. > Frankly if it’s prideful behavior you have a problem with, Musk isn’t doing too hot in that department either. What national program has Musk delayed? > Remember when he slandered that British guy helping to free kids trapped in a cave in Thailand, damaging the guy’s reputation? All because the guy called him out on his publicity stunt. The British guy who also didn't actually do anything and was jealous that he didn't get much attention and attacked him first by slandering him in the media? This made Musk look like an asshole to be sure, but it was not out of nowhere. If you actually read beyond the slanderous headline, the story is quite different. The SpaceX team talked to the actual diving team, they worked with them for a specific backup scenario that the divers said could a be a problem. The 'submarine' was never thought to be 'the solution', as was heavy implied by the media, and they never tried to make this the general solution. And it was not a 'publicity stunt', Musk and a group of SpaceX engineers went there to help. It generated an absurd amount of attention because Musk tweets are so wide reaching, but he was just tweeting what they were doing. Media then latched on to the story because the 'clueless billionair builds submarine' apparently generated more clicks then 'Team of SpaceX engineers works with divers on backup solution'- > Or the time he attacked CNN over ventilators although all CNN did was report the news verbatim - imagine being so hard up for recognition over what is supposed to be an act of charity. So attacking CNN over false reporting is somehow bad now? They basically made fun of him because apparently he had order the wrong ventilators during Covid. Another repeat of the 'arrogant clueless Musk only craves attention' story the media endlessly repeats. Turns out, because Tesla was very involved in China they had talked to hospitals in China they had learned what machines were likely to be required and they ordered those machines. Later it was confirmed by multiple hospitals that they had gotten the machines and that they were indeed very helpful. This part of course was never reported. > In the worst case, we have 3 prideful billionaires trying to get into space. Musk wasn't even a billionaire when SpaceX started. SpaceX has been a well operated commercial business for a long time now. Musk is a partly billionair because of SpaceX, its not that he was a billionaires and then decide to play around in space. And Musk is not even really trying to go to space himself primarly, if he wanted to he could have years ago. > Yet Musk is the only one getting good press … while the other 2 get nothing but negativity and equally accomplished but relatively poorly funded companies like ULA, no one really talks about. The other two are getting bad press because they are selling vanity roller-coaster rides. Branson project is consistently lying about capability to boost the public stock and they have a terrible technical solution that has killed multiple people already. BlueOrigin gets bad press because they insert themselves into every program and demand to be treated like an accomplished space company when they have never delivered a single product despite having an absurd amount of resources to spend. And then when they fail they sue everybody and claim that their propels were better. SpaceX gets good press because they have successfully accomplished one difficult program after another at low cost to the government. Not sure why it is surprising that companies who execute well under budget and achieve amazing should get more good press. If you think ULA is 'equally accomplished' to SpaceX you are totally misinformed about the space industry. And among actual space fans and not the general media that is totally clueless anyway, everybody knows perfectly well what ULA does and they are talked about quite often.