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Did you read the comment I replied to, Their exact statement was that the government has a compelling interest in curbing obesity because they pay for health c

by syshum 5y ago

Did you read the comment I replied to, Their exact statement was that the government has a compelling interest in curbing obesity because they pay for health care.. jeez, context matter.... Further it is completely logical conclusion that if the US government became in insurer, the next step in that would be to attempt mandate health food choices in order to curb runways costs that would result from such a program

b112 5y ago
Your last sentence indicates my statement was relevant. Secondly, the entire West, outside of the US, has state run health care, and in every case: * no one is doing what you suggest * society gets better health care * costs are reduced via so many other means An example? Governments negotiate as large-blocks of purchasers for medication. If corporations do not play ball, then laws can be changed to allow for a reduction in IP rights, length of patents, and so on. Note that this is not some silly "Stop companies from making profit", but instead, "Stop companies from making insane, over the top, crazy profit at the expensive of poor people dying". National governments also counter the above, with a restriction on development costs. For example, state run Universities being used to assist in clinical trials, grants for developing certain types of medication, the goal being to reduce risk/profit cost for drug manufacturers, which cite such high profits as necessary due to development costs. There are so many ways to win/win, without letting people die because they lost their job. There is also a societal balance, and much like stopping companies from dumping toxic waste, or clear cutting forests (instead of selective cuts), the needs of society must be balanced with the needs for free enterprise. This is not anti-profit, any more than not having the lot next to your house, become a dumping ground for nuclear waste. I know all of this seems horrifying, yet bizarrely, the rest of the West seems to handle it quite well. You might also want to ask yourself, who benefits from scare mongering over such things? You benefits from making you think and absurd idea, that your bacon will disappear because the government pays for health care? Who? Oh wait, the for-profit, out of control, massive lobbying health-care providers in the US? Yes, they want you to feel fear.

by syshum 5y ago

b112 5y ago

Your last sentence indicates my statement was relevant. Secondly, the entire West, outside of the US, has state run health care, and in every case: * no one is doing what you suggest * society gets better health care * costs are reduced via so many other means An example? Governments negotiate as large-blocks of purchasers for medication. If corporations do not play ball, then laws can be changed to allow for a reduction in IP rights, length of patents, and so on. Note that this is not some silly "Stop companies from making profit", but instead, "Stop companies from making insane, over the top, crazy profit at the expensive of poor people dying". National governments also counter the above, with a restriction on development costs. For example, state run Universities being used to assist in clinical trials, grants for developing certain types of medication, the goal being to reduce risk/profit cost for drug manufacturers, which cite such high profits as necessary due to development costs. There are so many ways to win/win, without letting people die because they lost their job. There is also a societal balance, and much like stopping companies from dumping toxic waste, or clear cutting forests (instead of selective cuts), the needs of society must be balanced with the needs for free enterprise. This is not anti-profit, any more than not having the lot next to your house, become a dumping ground for nuclear waste. I know all of this seems horrifying, yet bizarrely, the rest of the West seems to handle it quite well. You might also want to ask yourself, who benefits from scare mongering over such things? You benefits from making you think and absurd idea, that your bacon will disappear because the government pays for health care? Who? Oh wait, the for-profit, out of control, massive lobbying health-care providers in the US? Yes, they want you to feel fear.