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Israel had already at that time even as a young nation esablished they were willing to use false flag operations, primarily in the Kind David hotel bombing and

Israel had already at that time even as a young nation esablished they were willing to use false flag operations, primarily in the Kind David hotel bombing and in the Lavon Affair. These were intelligence agents spying on activities during a war between Israel and Egypt, Jordan and Syria, and they were told, no ordered, to keep their mouths shut about the incident. Their first hand knowledge cannot be so blithely and casually dismissed. Regardless of your ad hominem attack on the survivors of the massacre, not only do the yet still classified and unreleased NSA tapes exist that will one day confirm, but more recently declassified Israeli cables that support the statement that Israel knew it was American and wanted to sink it on purpose: "in a pair of diplomatic cables sent by the Israeli ambassador in Washington, Avraham Harman, to Foreign Minister Abba Eban in Tel Aviv. Five days after the Liberty attack, Harman cabled Eban that a source the Israelis code-named "Hamlet" was reporting that the Americans had "clear proof that from a certain stage the pilot discovered the identity of the ship and continued the attack anyway." Harman repeated the warning three days later, advising Eban, who is now dead, that the White House was "very angry," and that "the reason for this is that the Americans probably have findings showing that our pilots indeed knew that the ship was American."" [1] Even beyond that, many people in a position to have first hand knowledge spoke to that effect, as can be seen in the rest of [1]. Furthermore, an even more covered up aspect of the story that lends credence to the "false flag" angle is this: according to the book Operation Cyanide: Why the Bombing of the USS Liberty Nearly Caused World War III [2], " at 8:45 a.m. EDT (2:45 p.m. off the coast of the Sinai Peninsula) on June 8, 1967 two A-4 bomber aircraft loaded with nuclear bombs were dispatched from the aircraft carrier USS America, bound for Cairo with orders to drop those bombs on that city." As for your comment about UAT liberty transport vessel, the actual relevant tidbit to the original post, it was a different vessel altogether... which I didn't know, and hence me even bringing this topic up in the first place. 1. https://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-liberty_tuesoct02-story.html?coll=chi_news_nationworld_util&ctrack=2&cset=true https://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-liberty_tuesoct02-story.h... 2. https://www.amazon.com/Operation-Cyanide-Bombing-Liberty-Nearly/dp/1904132197 https://www.amazon.com/Operation-Cyanide-Bombing-Liberty-Nea... bonus two more very informational books on the topic: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B079WLV7HT https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B079WLV7HT https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07281WLWL https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07281WLWL Summary of Events: http://www.gtr5.com/summary_of_events.htm http://www.gtr5.com/summary_of_events.htm Al Jazeera documentary" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx72tAWVcoM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx72tAWVcoM

CrazyStat 5y ago
> primarily in the Kind David hotel bombing Not a good look when your first example is completely nonsensical. Israel didn't exist as an entity at the time of the King David hotel bombing. It also was not a false flag operation. It was carried out by a Jewish group who immediately claimed responsibility for it and apologized for the deaths of the Jews who had been killed. The fact that the perpetrators dressed as non-jews to carry out the attack does not make it a false flag attack. > Lavon Affair That one was actually a false flag operation carried out by Israel, so at least you get 1 of 2. > These were intelligence agents spying on activities during a war between Israel and Egypt, Jordan and Syria, and they were told, no ordered, to keep their mouths shut about the incident. Their first hand knowledge cannot be so blithely and casually dismissed. Mostly they were sailors, and their first hand knowledge was getting shot at. That's it. > Regardless of your ad hominem attack Nothing I said can be construed as an ad hominem attack on the survivors. > not only do the yet still classified and unreleased NSA tapes exist that will one day confirm, but more recently declassified Israeli cables that support the statement that Israel knew it was American and wanted to sink it on purpose: Passing over the unsupported claims about what the NSA tapes may show, which you obviously don't actually know, none of this supports the false flag claim--only the deliberate attack claim. > according to the book Operation Cyanide: Why the Bombing of the USS Liberty Nearly Caused World War III [2], " at 8:45 a.m. EDT (2:45 p.m. off the coast of the Sinai Peninsula) on June 8, 1967 two A-4 bomber aircraft loaded with nuclear bombs were dispatched from the aircraft carrier USS America, bound for Cairo with orders to drop those bombs on that city." This also doesn't support the false flag claim, since it only speaks to the US reaction to the incident, not Israel's motive. In summary, you have presented no evidence that supports the false flag claim. > As for your comment about UAT liberty transport vessel, the actual relevant tidbit to the original post, it was a different vessel altogether... which I didn't know, and hence me even bringing this topic up in the first place. Sorry, I misread that. That's on me.
- kfprt 5y ago
  'But Sir, It’s an American Ship.' 'Never Mind, Hit Her!'

CrazyStat 5y ago

> primarily in the Kind David hotel bombing Not a good look when your first example is completely nonsensical. Israel didn't exist as an entity at the time of the King David hotel bombing. It also was not a false flag operation. It was carried out by a Jewish group who immediately claimed responsibility for it and apologized for the deaths of the Jews who had been killed. The fact that the perpetrators dressed as non-jews to carry out the attack does not make it a false flag attack. > Lavon Affair That one was actually a false flag operation carried out by Israel, so at least you get 1 of 2. > These were intelligence agents spying on activities during a war between Israel and Egypt, Jordan and Syria, and they were told, no ordered, to keep their mouths shut about the incident. Their first hand knowledge cannot be so blithely and casually dismissed. Mostly they were sailors, and their first hand knowledge was getting shot at. That's it. > Regardless of your ad hominem attack Nothing I said can be construed as an ad hominem attack on the survivors. > not only do the yet still classified and unreleased NSA tapes exist that will one day confirm, but more recently declassified Israeli cables that support the statement that Israel knew it was American and wanted to sink it on purpose: Passing over the unsupported claims about what the NSA tapes may show, which you obviously don't actually know, none of this supports the false flag claim--only the deliberate attack claim. > according to the book Operation Cyanide: Why the Bombing of the USS Liberty Nearly Caused World War III [2], " at 8:45 a.m. EDT (2:45 p.m. off the coast of the Sinai Peninsula) on June 8, 1967 two A-4 bomber aircraft loaded with nuclear bombs were dispatched from the aircraft carrier USS America, bound for Cairo with orders to drop those bombs on that city." This also doesn't support the false flag claim, since it only speaks to the US reaction to the incident, not Israel's motive. In summary, you have presented no evidence that supports the false flag claim. > As for your comment about UAT liberty transport vessel, the actual relevant tidbit to the original post, it was a different vessel altogether... which I didn't know, and hence me even bringing this topic up in the first place. Sorry, I misread that. That's on me.

kfprt 5y ago
'But Sir, It’s an American Ship.' 'Never Mind, Hit Her!'