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> No gamer is going to pay $3000+ for a laptop with emulation They pay $3000 for a laptop whose fans hit 55 decibels at load and that has to throttle way down

> No gamer is going to pay $3000+ for a laptop with emulation They pay $3000 for a laptop whose fans hit 55 decibels at load and that has to throttle way down slower than the MacBook if you use it like a laptop and go somewhere without a power outlet. https://www.anandtech.com/show/16928/the-msi-ge76-raider-review-tiger-lake-plus-ampere-equals-framerate/7 https://www.anandtech.com/show/16928/the-msi-ge76-raider-rev...

dragontamer 5y ago
The Mac doesn't even do raytracing, does it? So you're already looking at a sizable quality downgrade over AMD, NVidia, PS5, and XBox Series X. I think the eSports gamers will prefer FPS over graphical fidelity, so maybe that's the target audience for this chip ironically. But adventure gamers who want to explore raytraced worlds / prettier games will prefer the cards with raytracing, better shadows, etc. etc. (See the Minecraft RTX demo for instance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bb7wKIHpgY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bb7wKIHpgY)
- pjmlp 5y ago
  It does, https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2021/10149/ https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2021/10149/ https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2021/10150/ https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2021/10150/
  - dragontamer 5y ago
    Look, my Vega64 raytraces all the time when I hit the "Render" button on Blender. But video-game raytracing is about hardware-dedicated raytracing units. Software (even GPU-software rendering) is an order of magnitude slower. Its still useful to implement, but what PS5 / XBox Series X / AMD / NVidia has implemented are specific raytracing cores (or in AMD's case: raytracing instructions) to traverse a BVH-tree and accelerate the raytracing process. "Can do Raytracing" or "Has an API for GPU-software that does raytracing" is just not the same as "we built a raytracing core into this new GPU". I'm sure Apple is working on their raytracing cores but I haven't seen anything yet that suggests that its ready yet.

dragontamer 5y ago

The Mac doesn't even do raytracing, does it? So you're already looking at a sizable quality downgrade over AMD, NVidia, PS5, and XBox Series X. I think the eSports gamers will prefer FPS over graphical fidelity, so maybe that's the target audience for this chip ironically. But adventure gamers who want to explore raytraced worlds / prettier games will prefer the cards with raytracing, better shadows, etc. etc. (See the Minecraft RTX demo for instance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bb7wKIHpgY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bb7wKIHpgY)

pjmlp 5y ago
It does, https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2021/10149/ https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2021/10149/ https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2021/10150/ https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2021/10150/
- dragontamer 5y ago
  Look, my Vega64 raytraces all the time when I hit the "Render" button on Blender. But video-game raytracing is about hardware-dedicated raytracing units. Software (even GPU-software rendering) is an order of magnitude slower. Its still useful to implement, but what PS5 / XBox Series X / AMD / NVidia has implemented are specific raytracing cores (or in AMD's case: raytracing instructions) to traverse a BVH-tree and accelerate the raytracing process. "Can do Raytracing" or "Has an API for GPU-software that does raytracing" is just not the same as "we built a raytracing core into this new GPU". I'm sure Apple is working on their raytracing cores but I haven't seen anything yet that suggests that its ready yet.