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Is there some context available or can someone provide some background?

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ghuntley 5y ago
- http://dusted.codes/can-we-trust-microsoft-with-open-source http://dusted.codes/can-we-trust-microsoft-with-open-source - http://theverge.com/2021/10/22/22740701/microsoft-dotnet-hot-reload-removal-decision-open-source http://theverge.com/2021/10/22/22740701/microsoft-dotnet-hot... - https://github.com/dotnet/core/issues/505 https://github.com/dotnet/core/issues/505 Organisational design defect - the .NET language is open-source and wants to be available on all platforms, on all devices and fundamentally an open programming language (ie all editors). The problem is the .NET SDK team is paid by the Visual Studio team. CVP ripped out SDK features to sell more Visual Studio product because the org is run as a profit centre that is stuck in a Ballmeresk Cold War with Jetbrains vs Satya “Azure is the future” Moments after the public “reversal” blog post key engineers and product managers took to twitter to celebrate the victory and the community movement with expensive scotch. (“Thanks for your support”)
- msft-throwaway 5y ago
  .NET, Visual Studio, and Visual Studio Code are all expensive ad campaigns funded by Azure. .NET and Visual Studio have excellent attach rate to Azure. Disclaimer: I work at Microsoft.
  - ghuntley 5y ago
    Time to resolve https://github.com/dotnet/core/issues/505 https://github.com/dotnet/core/issues/505 then.
  - eyegor 5y ago
    dotnet and vs have been around a lot longer than azure. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.
    - native_samples 5y ago
      Yes but back then they were Windows only and intended to promote sales of the operating system.
windthrown 5y ago
The initial incident: https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/22/22740701/microsoft-dotnet-hot-reload-removal-decision-open-source https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/22/22740701/microsoft-dotne... Reversal: https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/23/22742282/microsoft-dotnet-hot-reload-u-turn-response https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/23/22742282/microsoft-dotne...

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- http://dusted.codes/can-we-trust-microsoft-with-open-source http://dusted.codes/can-we-trust-microsoft-with-open-source - http://theverge.com/2021/10/22/22740701/microsoft-dotnet-hot-reload-removal-decision-open-source http://theverge.com/2021/10/22/22740701/microsoft-dotnet-hot... - https://github.com/dotnet/core/issues/505 https://github.com/dotnet/core/issues/505 Organisational design defect - the .NET language is open-source and wants to be available on all platforms, on all devices and fundamentally an open programming language (ie all editors). The problem is the .NET SDK team is paid by the Visual Studio team. CVP ripped out SDK features to sell more Visual Studio product because the org is run as a profit centre that is stuck in a Ballmeresk Cold War with Jetbrains vs Satya “Azure is the future” Moments after the public “reversal” blog post key engineers and product managers took to twitter to celebrate the victory and the community movement with expensive scotch. (“Thanks for your support”)

msft-throwaway 5y ago
.NET, Visual Studio, and Visual Studio Code are all expensive ad campaigns funded by Azure. .NET and Visual Studio have excellent attach rate to Azure. Disclaimer: I work at Microsoft.
- ghuntley 5y ago
  Time to resolve https://github.com/dotnet/core/issues/505 https://github.com/dotnet/core/issues/505 then.
- eyegor 5y ago
  dotnet and vs have been around a lot longer than azure. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.
  - native_samples 5y ago
    Yes but back then they were Windows only and intended to promote sales of the operating system.

windthrown 5y ago

The initial incident: https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/22/22740701/microsoft-dotnet-hot-reload-removal-decision-open-source https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/22/22740701/microsoft-dotne... Reversal: https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/23/22742282/microsoft-dotnet-hot-reload-u-turn-response https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/23/22742282/microsoft-dotne...