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CDC says there are "60,000 to 2.5 million defensive gun uses each year." That's a lot of people protecting themselves and their loved ones while using a firear

CDC says there are "60,000 to 2.5 million defensive gun uses each year." That's a lot of people protecting themselves and their loved ones while using a firearm. https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/firearms/fastfact.html https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/firearms/fastfact.htm...

cratermoon 5y ago
That was not "the CDC" that said that. The CDC does not do research on gun violence and hasn't since the passage of the Dickey Amendment in 1996. The cited page references "Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence", which is a report summarizing existing published, not a study. The range is from various studies cited there, including the widely-discredited work of Gary Kleck and John Lott. The latter, in particular, is an economist, not an expert in crime or health, and has been credibly accused of academic fraud.[1] "A majority of the reported self defense gun uses were rated as probably illegal by a majority of judges. This was so even under the assumption that the respondent had a permit to own and carry the gun, and that the respondent had described the event honestly. Guns are used to threaten and intimidate far more often than they are used in self defense. Most self reported self defense gun uses may well be illegal and against the interests of society."[2] "The canard of the armed civilian mass-shooting hero is perpetuated by exaggerations and half-truths" [3] The study that gun-rights activists keep citing but completely misunderstand [4] 1. https://archive.thinkprogress.org/debunking-john-lott-5456e83cf326/ https://archive.thinkprogress.org/debunking-john-lott-5456e8... 2. https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/injuryprev/6/4/263.full.pdf https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/injuryprev/6/4/263.... 3. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/oregon-shooting-gun-laws-213222 https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/oregon-shoot... 4. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/01/16/the-study-that-gun-rights-activists-keep-citing-but-completely-misunderstand/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/01/16/the-s...
- dude187 5y ago
  "The canard of the armed civilian mass-shooting hero " A premise like this just proves you're not interested in any sort of truth discovery, nor discussing this issue in good faith. Guns are excellent tools for self defense.
  - cratermoon 5y ago
    > Guns are excellent tools for self defense. Not really. The research generally points towards defensive gun use being rare and, when it does happen, are associated with escalated arguments, and are both socially undesirable and illegal Survey Research and Self-Defense Gun Use: An Explanation of Extreme Overestimates: https://www.jstor.org/stable/1144020 https://www.jstor.org/stable/1144020 The epidemiology of self-defense gun use: evidence from the National Crime Victimization Surveys 2007-2011 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25910555/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25910555/ Gun Threats and Self-Defense Gun Use: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-thr...
    - dude187 5y ago
      Hemenway is not reputable. His "research" isn't research, it's advocacy given official backing.
      - cratermoon 5y ago
        Oh? Could you provide some references for this? Also, what researchers would you recommend instead?

cratermoon 5y ago

That was not "the CDC" that said that. The CDC does not do research on gun violence and hasn't since the passage of the Dickey Amendment in 1996. The cited page references "Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence", which is a report summarizing existing published, not a study. The range is from various studies cited there, including the widely-discredited work of Gary Kleck and John Lott. The latter, in particular, is an economist, not an expert in crime or health, and has been credibly accused of academic fraud.[1] "A majority of the reported self defense gun uses were rated as probably illegal by a majority of judges. This was so even under the assumption that the respondent had a permit to own and carry the gun, and that the respondent had described the event honestly. Guns are used to threaten and intimidate far more often than they are used in self defense. Most self reported self defense gun uses may well be illegal and against the interests of society."[2] "The canard of the armed civilian mass-shooting hero is perpetuated by exaggerations and half-truths" [3] The study that gun-rights activists keep citing but completely misunderstand [4] 1. https://archive.thinkprogress.org/debunking-john-lott-5456e83cf326/ https://archive.thinkprogress.org/debunking-john-lott-5456e8... 2. https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/injuryprev/6/4/263.full.pdf https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/injuryprev/6/4/263.... 3. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/oregon-shooting-gun-laws-213222 https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/oregon-shoot... 4. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/01/16/the-study-that-gun-rights-activists-keep-citing-but-completely-misunderstand/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/01/16/the-s...

dude187 5y ago
"The canard of the armed civilian mass-shooting hero " A premise like this just proves you're not interested in any sort of truth discovery, nor discussing this issue in good faith. Guns are excellent tools for self defense.
- cratermoon 5y ago
  > Guns are excellent tools for self defense. Not really. The research generally points towards defensive gun use being rare and, when it does happen, are associated with escalated arguments, and are both socially undesirable and illegal Survey Research and Self-Defense Gun Use: An Explanation of Extreme Overestimates: https://www.jstor.org/stable/1144020 https://www.jstor.org/stable/1144020 The epidemiology of self-defense gun use: evidence from the National Crime Victimization Surveys 2007-2011 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25910555/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25910555/ Gun Threats and Self-Defense Gun Use: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-thr...
  - dude187 5y ago
    Hemenway is not reputable. His "research" isn't research, it's advocacy given official backing.
    - cratermoon 5y ago
      Oh? Could you provide some references for this? Also, what researchers would you recommend instead?