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No kidding. Should we have been taping our ID's too our foreheads when protesting the whole time if that wasn't the case?

mcguire 5y ago
What is your position on police officers covering their badge numbers at protests?
- spicybright 5y ago
  Disgusting, but I've never any incidents of this. Almost every state requires them to state their name, badge number, and department if requested. If I'm paying them with taxes, and allowing them the ability to use a massive amount of force taht non-officers are not allowed to, you can be sure I'd want their info in case they make a big mistake. I'm not working for anyone but myself when I'm protesting.
  - mcguire 5y ago
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/politics/law-enforcement-badges-protests/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/politics/law-enforcement-badg... https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2020/06/05/seattle-police-chief-orders-officers-to-show-badge-numbers-after-reports-some-were-covering-them/ https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2020/06/05/seattle-police-c... https://www.opb.org/news/article/portland-police-cover-name-tag-badge/ https://www.opb.org/news/article/portland-police-cover-name-... https://www.chicagoreporter.com/chicago-police-investigating-78-complaints-of-officers-removing-or-covering-badges-during-protests/ https://www.chicagoreporter.com/chicago-police-investigating... https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-nypd-cops-accused-covering-shield-numbers-protests-20200604-rje2krqecfcrdcex2p2fdy3c5i-story.html https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-nypd-cops-... https://i2.wp.com/www.chicagoreporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/crop_george-floyd-protest-police-caravia.png https://i2.wp.com/www.chicagoreporter.com/wp-content/uploads...
- wolverine876 5y ago
  Are you suggesting that an action by the state is equivalent to actions by private citizens?
  - mcguire 5y ago
    Are you suggesting that anonymity is not an unmitigated good?
- ashtonkem 5y ago
  They’re state employees on the clock, given a gun and legal immunity by the state. They can have their anonymity back when they’re not performing their official duties, not during.
loceng 5y ago
Your ID is your face, etc. If you're protesting in a place that you need to worry about being identified and targeted by the ruling authority, covering your face alone likely isn't enough anyhow.
- LinuxBender 5y ago
  Imagine a future where humanoid looking drones march in protests as a protestors avatar.
  - klyrs 5y ago
    I'm imagining it. Those drones are remote-controlled. That can be traced, so anonymity is foiled.
    - spicybright 5y ago
      Lol. You think there wouldn't be a way to proxy signals to keep it anonymous? They can't even reliably trace robo call spam on normal phone networks as is. But sure it's possible. But the public is almost always one step ahead of the tech developed by the police. If we're at the level of piloting robot humans remotely in huge crowds for protests, you can bet there's a few small really smart people defending everyone against tech attacks. It's why the police always lobby for regulations or bans instead of fighting tech against tech.
      - klyrs 5y ago
        > It's why the police always lobby for regulations or bans instead of fighting tech against tech. Sure, let's go that route. One issue in suppression of human protests is that humans have rights. Robots do not. If your drone is blocking traffic, it can be impounded, and quite likely destroyed in the process. A few yards of netting and a garbage truck would make quick work of a few million dollars worth of protest-drones.
    - LinuxBender 5y ago
      Maybe. Could be autonomous. "Sonny, go to this street and protest. Here is a thumb drive will all my political views, talking points, items to debate, things to chant, what to display on your LED picket sign" "Oh and pick up my dry cleaning after you are released from jail"

mcguire 5y ago

What is your position on police officers covering their badge numbers at protests?

spicybright 5y ago
Disgusting, but I've never any incidents of this. Almost every state requires them to state their name, badge number, and department if requested. If I'm paying them with taxes, and allowing them the ability to use a massive amount of force taht non-officers are not allowed to, you can be sure I'd want their info in case they make a big mistake. I'm not working for anyone but myself when I'm protesting.
- mcguire 5y ago
  https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/politics/law-enforcement-badges-protests/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/politics/law-enforcement-badg... https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2020/06/05/seattle-police-chief-orders-officers-to-show-badge-numbers-after-reports-some-were-covering-them/ https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2020/06/05/seattle-police-c... https://www.opb.org/news/article/portland-police-cover-name-tag-badge/ https://www.opb.org/news/article/portland-police-cover-name-... https://www.chicagoreporter.com/chicago-police-investigating-78-complaints-of-officers-removing-or-covering-badges-during-protests/ https://www.chicagoreporter.com/chicago-police-investigating... https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-nypd-cops-accused-covering-shield-numbers-protests-20200604-rje2krqecfcrdcex2p2fdy3c5i-story.html https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-nypd-cops-... https://i2.wp.com/www.chicagoreporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/crop_george-floyd-protest-police-caravia.png https://i2.wp.com/www.chicagoreporter.com/wp-content/uploads...
wolverine876 5y ago
Are you suggesting that an action by the state is equivalent to actions by private citizens?
- mcguire 5y ago
  Are you suggesting that anonymity is not an unmitigated good?
ashtonkem 5y ago
They’re state employees on the clock, given a gun and legal immunity by the state. They can have their anonymity back when they’re not performing their official duties, not during.

loceng 5y ago

Your ID is your face, etc. If you're protesting in a place that you need to worry about being identified and targeted by the ruling authority, covering your face alone likely isn't enough anyhow.

LinuxBender 5y ago
Imagine a future where humanoid looking drones march in protests as a protestors avatar.
- klyrs 5y ago
  I'm imagining it. Those drones are remote-controlled. That can be traced, so anonymity is foiled.
  - spicybright 5y ago
    Lol. You think there wouldn't be a way to proxy signals to keep it anonymous? They can't even reliably trace robo call spam on normal phone networks as is. But sure it's possible. But the public is almost always one step ahead of the tech developed by the police. If we're at the level of piloting robot humans remotely in huge crowds for protests, you can bet there's a few small really smart people defending everyone against tech attacks. It's why the police always lobby for regulations or bans instead of fighting tech against tech.
    - klyrs 5y ago
      > It's why the police always lobby for regulations or bans instead of fighting tech against tech. Sure, let's go that route. One issue in suppression of human protests is that humans have rights. Robots do not. If your drone is blocking traffic, it can be impounded, and quite likely destroyed in the process. A few yards of netting and a garbage truck would make quick work of a few million dollars worth of protest-drones.
  - LinuxBender 5y ago
    Maybe. Could be autonomous. "Sonny, go to this street and protest. Here is a thumb drive will all my political views, talking points, items to debate, things to chant, what to display on your LED picket sign" "Oh and pick up my dry cleaning after you are released from jail"