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I'm conflicted about this. So the research group React19, for instance which is dealing with vaccine complications since end of 2020, supposedly has 5,000 peop

I'm conflicted about this. So the research group React19, for instance which is dealing with vaccine complications since end of 2020, supposedly has 5,000 people it has been in contact with (from where supposedly 6 people had committed suicide - according to Kyle, who's also been talking with the group). They have conducted a survey, there was a following question: Are you the only one in your family to have a persistent adverse reaction to the vaccine? Yes: 142 No: 13 So out of 155 respondents, 13 had another family member who had persistent adverse reaction. What is the average count of family members per people? This implies a lot more frequent persistent adverse reactions from vaccines that is generally reported so far. At least I would like this being addressed somehow. And similarly looking at anecdotal stories, there are often couples who have had persistent adverse effects, and there was just now a video story John Campbell showed where 2 training partners together were diagnosed with one pericarditis and the other one with myocarditis. If there's multiple people together getting this diagnosis with the frequency I'm seeing, it seems it's generally under reported. According to the same survey top symptoms are 1) Fatigue 2) Brain fog and heart issues only comes next. I definitely don't want 1) and 2) either, so I'm just waiting for someone to address all of this.

bryanlarsen 5y ago
Many people believe that autoimmune and/or psycho-somatic disorders are vastly underdiagnosed in the populace, that there are millions of Americans undiagnosed with those disorders. If so, having a few thousand coincidentally appear after vaccination is likely just that, coincidence. And those are nasty diseases. I have one friend with Guillaim Barre as a side effect of H1N1, one friend with Myalgic Encephalomyelitis as a side effect of H1N1 and a cousin with Lupus. So doing all you can to avoid these diseases is smart. Which means getting COVID and flu vaccines. Even if the vaccine causes these chronic diseases, it does so at a very low rate compared to the actual disease. Millions of Americans already have long COVID. Herd immunity may eventually protect future generations of Americans and current citizens of New Zealand and Singapore, but it's not going to protect the current citizens of the US.
- mewpmewp2 5y ago
  Shouldn't it be a person behaviour dependant decision - whether to take the vaccine? E.g. for example, currently I calculate myself to be near people that in theory it would be possible to catch covid only around 5-6 hours per week, 3h from it outside, and 3h inside gym at times when gym is fairly empty and it's easy for me to hold a 3m+ distance from everyone. Besides that I work from home, and order everything in. Considering everyday infection rate I can calculate from that what my chances of getting covid are based on how much I think other people on average spend around other people, or their families. This would be back of the napkin calculation, but wouldn't that be fair to assess chances of getting covid? These may be some odd coincidences -- although personally based on my readings of those anecdotal stories I don't see how. But even if let's say they might be coincidences, how can I know for sure? I also thought and am aware of the fact if there's a disease that is diagnosed at least e.g. 365,000 times a year and if all people would eat ice-cream once a year, then there would be 1,000 people getting that diagnosis just the next day, but I feel like the patterns are too similar for the stories I've read.
  - bryanlarsen 5y ago
    My wife (a physician) has heard tons of stories from people who were in very strict isolation for 6, 9, 12, 15 months and then did Thanksgiving or Christmas at their kids house once, got COVID and ended up in the hospital. In comparison you're at much higher risk than they were since you're not in isolation. COVID is endemic in the US and most of the world, so your chance of eventually getting it is approximately 100%. Once you get it, your risk of dying is between 1 and 20 in 1000 depending on your age and risk factors. Your risk of getting long COVID is approximately 1 in 10. Most long COVID isn't chronic illness, but some is, and it's awful. In comparison, your risk of a mild heart infection from the vaccine is less than 1 in 100,000 and any other risks are less than that.
- mewpmewp2 5y ago
  And for prevalency, still, there seems to be too many situations where people in the same family or partners together have got issues. How would there be so many occurrences if it was truly so rare? I have seen this from many anecdotal stories, but also here's one that is available as a video post - for added legitimacy: https://youtu.be/Gz0I_v-ihsE?t=1395 https://youtu.be/Gz0I_v-ihsE?t=1395 This is for heart issues. Besides that with most of those stories it goes hand in hand that doctors don't know what to diagnose, or they have no idea how to treat what they are seeing and it doesn't end up get reported as well -- this is what I've seen as a pattern from all the stories I've read. By the way, I really wish I could just do the shot, since I'm tired of being afraid as well, so if someone managed to convince me that I'm worrying about nothing, it would be great.
react19 5y ago
Hi is there other react19 groups in other countries like in NZ. Would this group promote setting up other similar groups in other western countries like NZ
react19now 5y ago
Hi is there other react19 groups in other countries like in NZ. Would this group promote setting up other similar groups in other western countries like NZ
react19now 5y ago
Please can a group like this be set up in all western countries ie NZ

bryanlarsen 5y ago

Many people believe that autoimmune and/or psycho-somatic disorders are vastly underdiagnosed in the populace, that there are millions of Americans undiagnosed with those disorders. If so, having a few thousand coincidentally appear after vaccination is likely just that, coincidence. And those are nasty diseases. I have one friend with Guillaim Barre as a side effect of H1N1, one friend with Myalgic Encephalomyelitis as a side effect of H1N1 and a cousin with Lupus. So doing all you can to avoid these diseases is smart. Which means getting COVID and flu vaccines. Even if the vaccine causes these chronic diseases, it does so at a very low rate compared to the actual disease. Millions of Americans already have long COVID. Herd immunity may eventually protect future generations of Americans and current citizens of New Zealand and Singapore, but it's not going to protect the current citizens of the US.

mewpmewp2 5y ago
Shouldn't it be a person behaviour dependant decision - whether to take the vaccine? E.g. for example, currently I calculate myself to be near people that in theory it would be possible to catch covid only around 5-6 hours per week, 3h from it outside, and 3h inside gym at times when gym is fairly empty and it's easy for me to hold a 3m+ distance from everyone. Besides that I work from home, and order everything in. Considering everyday infection rate I can calculate from that what my chances of getting covid are based on how much I think other people on average spend around other people, or their families. This would be back of the napkin calculation, but wouldn't that be fair to assess chances of getting covid? These may be some odd coincidences -- although personally based on my readings of those anecdotal stories I don't see how. But even if let's say they might be coincidences, how can I know for sure? I also thought and am aware of the fact if there's a disease that is diagnosed at least e.g. 365,000 times a year and if all people would eat ice-cream once a year, then there would be 1,000 people getting that diagnosis just the next day, but I feel like the patterns are too similar for the stories I've read.
- bryanlarsen 5y ago
  My wife (a physician) has heard tons of stories from people who were in very strict isolation for 6, 9, 12, 15 months and then did Thanksgiving or Christmas at their kids house once, got COVID and ended up in the hospital. In comparison you're at much higher risk than they were since you're not in isolation. COVID is endemic in the US and most of the world, so your chance of eventually getting it is approximately 100%. Once you get it, your risk of dying is between 1 and 20 in 1000 depending on your age and risk factors. Your risk of getting long COVID is approximately 1 in 10. Most long COVID isn't chronic illness, but some is, and it's awful. In comparison, your risk of a mild heart infection from the vaccine is less than 1 in 100,000 and any other risks are less than that.
mewpmewp2 5y ago
And for prevalency, still, there seems to be too many situations where people in the same family or partners together have got issues. How would there be so many occurrences if it was truly so rare? I have seen this from many anecdotal stories, but also here's one that is available as a video post - for added legitimacy: https://youtu.be/Gz0I_v-ihsE?t=1395 https://youtu.be/Gz0I_v-ihsE?t=1395 This is for heart issues. Besides that with most of those stories it goes hand in hand that doctors don't know what to diagnose, or they have no idea how to treat what they are seeing and it doesn't end up get reported as well -- this is what I've seen as a pattern from all the stories I've read. By the way, I really wish I could just do the shot, since I'm tired of being afraid as well, so if someone managed to convince me that I'm worrying about nothing, it would be great.

react19 5y ago

Hi is there other react19 groups in other countries like in NZ. Would this group promote setting up other similar groups in other western countries like NZ

react19now 5y ago

Hi is there other react19 groups in other countries like in NZ. Would this group promote setting up other similar groups in other western countries like NZ

react19now 5y ago

Please can a group like this be set up in all western countries ie NZ