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Fully vaccinated now might not be considered so in future without a C-19 booster

13 points by SQL2219 5y ago

skyde 5y ago
this is bullshit! I already have a hard time convincing people to get vaccinated and this will make it harder. I can already imagine everyone of them complaining it’s purely for control and will never end…. From a science point of view we need more people vaccinated not a smaller percentage of people with better immunity!
- verdverm 5y ago
  What would change if everyone was vaccinated? What is the goal or end game here? If vaccines wane in effectiveness, does the booster work towards the same goal as vaccines?
  - tata71 5y ago
    A 25% increase in total effective immunity of the population is...noteworthy.
    - verdverm 5y ago
      Does that depend on which vaccine was taken, which age group, or other factors? Citations?
    - skyde 5y ago
      if 30% of the population is 25% more protected but 70% of the population is not vaccinated we are not going anywhere. But if 90% of the population have a vaccine that is 25% less effective we still can beat the virus.
alexbiet 5y ago
"We have not yet changed the definition of 'fully vaccinated.' ... We may need to update our definition of 'fully vaccinated' in the future", CDC director Rochelle Walensky. The intention might be good, but these dubious tactics of constantly moving the goal post and shameless propaganda is working against them. Easy to see why people are hesitant. Call me old fashioned, but I remember a time where this thing called "people's freedom" was a thing. Nobody tasked the Gov, CDC, WHO and others to "save the world". Live and let live. If people are willing to take the 99,98% chance of surviving a virus, respect their choice. The rest can wear as many masks, surrender as many freedoms to their gov and take as many shots as they want. Their choice is also respected.
- atkailash 5y ago
  Too bad those people can spread it to others who have a lesser chance of survival even with mitigations. What’s to respect about that? If it only effected them, sure, do whatever. But it doesn’t.
- evgen 5y ago
  This is certainly not the first time a vaccine required a booster. I had to get boosters for various diseases as my immunity waned and the idea that anyone should be surprised that a virus we have all collectively watched mutate into something far more deadly would require a booster is ridiculous. Anyone who thinks this is 'moving the goal post' should stop trying to pretend they have anything to contribute to the discussion. If these selfish people want to avoid a vaccine we can simply exclude them from our society, because if there is any freedom they must respect it is the freedom the rest of us have to decide with whom we will associate. Their presence is a danger to us all. I will respect their choice to not join the rest of us in the modern world of vaccinations and public health and I expect them to respect our decision to keep them at a distance. I also propose we respect their decision and allow them to die as nature intended, without taking up valuable ICU and hospital resources. Create covid hospices where these plague rats can gasp out their last breath with all of the freedom they desire.
  - windows2020 5y ago
    Did you get your flu shot?
  - bad_username 5y ago
    Contributions like the parent comment make the Dead Internet theory feel very plausible.
  - mythrwy 5y ago
    Are there many vaccines that require boosters after only a few months? I'm not aware of any. I got a tetanus booster a couple of years ago in response to an injury. Should be good for another 10 years. By now it's plainly obvious these "vaccines" are not anywhere near the same level of effectiveness, they didn't understand what would happen "in the real world" and the vaccines don't actually prevent transmission or indeed serious injury or death. So please don't pretend it's the same type of thing. That is sad justification for misplaced faith rather then adjusting world view to match current reality. The rest of your post is just nonsense hate speech based on pseudoscience, wishes and political bias. An extremely disgusting authoritarian political bias at that.

13 points by SQL2219 5y ago

this is bullshit! I already have a hard time convincing people to get vaccinated and this will make it harder. I can already imagine everyone of them complaining it’s purely for control and will never end…. From a science point of view we need more people vaccinated not a smaller percentage of people with better immunity!

verdverm 5y ago
What would change if everyone was vaccinated? What is the goal or end game here? If vaccines wane in effectiveness, does the booster work towards the same goal as vaccines?
- tata71 5y ago
  A 25% increase in total effective immunity of the population is...noteworthy.
  - verdverm 5y ago
    Does that depend on which vaccine was taken, which age group, or other factors? Citations?
  - skyde 5y ago
    if 30% of the population is 25% more protected but 70% of the population is not vaccinated we are not going anywhere. But if 90% of the population have a vaccine that is 25% less effective we still can beat the virus.

alexbiet 5y ago

"We have not yet changed the definition of 'fully vaccinated.' ... We may need to update our definition of 'fully vaccinated' in the future", CDC director Rochelle Walensky. The intention might be good, but these dubious tactics of constantly moving the goal post and shameless propaganda is working against them. Easy to see why people are hesitant. Call me old fashioned, but I remember a time where this thing called "people's freedom" was a thing. Nobody tasked the Gov, CDC, WHO and others to "save the world". Live and let live. If people are willing to take the 99,98% chance of surviving a virus, respect their choice. The rest can wear as many masks, surrender as many freedoms to their gov and take as many shots as they want. Their choice is also respected.

atkailash 5y ago
Too bad those people can spread it to others who have a lesser chance of survival even with mitigations. What’s to respect about that? If it only effected them, sure, do whatever. But it doesn’t.
evgen 5y ago
This is certainly not the first time a vaccine required a booster. I had to get boosters for various diseases as my immunity waned and the idea that anyone should be surprised that a virus we have all collectively watched mutate into something far more deadly would require a booster is ridiculous. Anyone who thinks this is 'moving the goal post' should stop trying to pretend they have anything to contribute to the discussion. If these selfish people want to avoid a vaccine we can simply exclude them from our society, because if there is any freedom they must respect it is the freedom the rest of us have to decide with whom we will associate. Their presence is a danger to us all. I will respect their choice to not join the rest of us in the modern world of vaccinations and public health and I expect them to respect our decision to keep them at a distance. I also propose we respect their decision and allow them to die as nature intended, without taking up valuable ICU and hospital resources. Create covid hospices where these plague rats can gasp out their last breath with all of the freedom they desire.
- windows2020 5y ago
  Did you get your flu shot?
- bad_username 5y ago
  Contributions like the parent comment make the Dead Internet theory feel very plausible.
- mythrwy 5y ago
  Are there many vaccines that require boosters after only a few months? I'm not aware of any. I got a tetanus booster a couple of years ago in response to an injury. Should be good for another 10 years. By now it's plainly obvious these "vaccines" are not anywhere near the same level of effectiveness, they didn't understand what would happen "in the real world" and the vaccines don't actually prevent transmission or indeed serious injury or death. So please don't pretend it's the same type of thing. That is sad justification for misplaced faith rather then adjusting world view to match current reality. The rest of your post is just nonsense hate speech based on pseudoscience, wishes and political bias. An extremely disgusting authoritarian political bias at that.