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I would really love to experiment with one of those CPUs, too bad Apple just really sucks as a company / ethics

gjsman-1000 5y ago
Except for, say, Purism and Framework and a few others, every company sucks with ethics. Except Purism even had the idea to make their own products which were based on free, open-source code, charge for them, and then give no attribution before apologizing after blowback. So even for those companies their Ethics are suspect.
- mrtranscendence 5y ago
  > Except for, say, Purism and Framework and a few others, every company sucks with ethics. Basically. If I wanted to stay ethically pure in all my purchases I'd be in trouble, unfortunately. It's not like Apple is ethically "worse" than Google or Samsung or other major phone manufacturers.
  - noizejoy 5y ago
    Arguably approaching 100% ethical purity would also approach involve not being born in the first place. Related note: I think that leading large numbers of people as well as having very large numbers of customers also reduces your chances of doing well for all of them.
- masterof0 5y ago
  > Except Purism even had the idea to make their own products which were based on free, open-source code, charge for them And then charging 2000 dollars for a barely functional brick. I think the only ethical hardware companies I know would be System76, Framework, and Fairphone.
- tcbawo 5y ago
  Honest question: for someone whose priority is maintaining an ecosystem of general computing devices with freedom to run software of my choice (rather than privacy paranoia), what companies should I get behind and/or avoid? Between custom processors, comprehensive SoC, and secure boot, I'm a little afraid getting caged in over the long term with practically any offerings out there right now.
  - rsanheim 5y ago
    https://frame.work https://frame.work is getting good reviews and seems very reputable. Of course its just a laptop, so you have to figure out the rest of your computing world then.
throwaway4good 5y ago
Why would you say that? Of US big tech they seem to be the least evil.
- AlexCoventry 5y ago
  I guess their on-phone CSAM scanner has fallen off the news cycle.
  - marcellus23 5y ago
    Or maybe no one was ever that upset, beyond the small but vocal group of HN commenters who will take any opportunity to bash Apple anyway.
  - aserdf 5y ago
    since these new machines come pre-installed with Monterrey I guess CSAM scanning is present from first boot?
  - artificialLimbs 5y ago
    As I understand it, they delayed rolling out CSAM scanning on-device due to the backlash.

Except for, say, Purism and Framework and a few others, every company sucks with ethics. Except Purism even had the idea to make their own products which were based on free, open-source code, charge for them, and then give no attribution before apologizing after blowback. So even for those companies their Ethics are suspect.

mrtranscendence 5y ago
> Except for, say, Purism and Framework and a few others, every company sucks with ethics. Basically. If I wanted to stay ethically pure in all my purchases I'd be in trouble, unfortunately. It's not like Apple is ethically "worse" than Google or Samsung or other major phone manufacturers.
- noizejoy 5y ago
  Arguably approaching 100% ethical purity would also approach involve not being born in the first place. Related note: I think that leading large numbers of people as well as having very large numbers of customers also reduces your chances of doing well for all of them.
masterof0 5y ago
> Except Purism even had the idea to make their own products which were based on free, open-source code, charge for them And then charging 2000 dollars for a barely functional brick. I think the only ethical hardware companies I know would be System76, Framework, and Fairphone.
tcbawo 5y ago
Honest question: for someone whose priority is maintaining an ecosystem of general computing devices with freedom to run software of my choice (rather than privacy paranoia), what companies should I get behind and/or avoid? Between custom processors, comprehensive SoC, and secure boot, I'm a little afraid getting caged in over the long term with practically any offerings out there right now.
- rsanheim 5y ago
  https://frame.work https://frame.work is getting good reviews and seems very reputable. Of course its just a laptop, so you have to figure out the rest of your computing world then.

throwaway4good 5y ago

Why would you say that? Of US big tech they seem to be the least evil.

AlexCoventry 5y ago
I guess their on-phone CSAM scanner has fallen off the news cycle.
- marcellus23 5y ago
  Or maybe no one was ever that upset, beyond the small but vocal group of HN commenters who will take any opportunity to bash Apple anyway.
- aserdf 5y ago
  since these new machines come pre-installed with Monterrey I guess CSAM scanning is present from first boot?
- artificialLimbs 5y ago
  As I understand it, they delayed rolling out CSAM scanning on-device due to the backlash.