4 ms·

From the reviews I've seen so far, seems like Apples "Relative Perfomance Points" benchmarks were as misleading as expected for the GPU. The M1 Max is more like

by kcb 5y ago

From the reviews I've seen so far, seems like Apples "Relative Perfomance Points" benchmarks were as misleading as expected for the GPU. The M1 Max is more like a 3060 in performance not a 3080.

AnEro 5y ago
I'm going to be honest, I didn't have the expectations that any custom hardware would perform like a companies benchmarks claim they do. Since they would be cherry picked to hell and back, especially apple. The fact it has a geekbench score that makes my gen2 threadripper look bad and can still have 3060 performance in a laptop is still very impressive to me.
- atonse 5y ago
  As much as I give Apple crap for some of their marketing, their CPU and battery claims usually tend to be quite spot on and reproducible by reviewers. That's what I've noticed over the years.
neogodless 5y ago
If you look at Anandtech[0], you can get a clearer picture. In synthetic, isolated benchmarks, the GPU could have similar hardware performance to an RTX 3080 mobile. However... once you throw in the lack of games compiled for ARM and designed to run on Metal, most of that potential is wasted. Having never owned an Apple product, these sound like excellent machines, but I still want to be able to play the games on my expensive, powerful hardware. So I'd like to see what they can do if they are targeted. The M1 from last year didn't seem to change anything. It'll be interesting to see if this does. Will increasing market share and consumer demand be enough to push some more development of games for these machines? At least in theory the hardware is there now for reasonable gaming performance. [0] https://www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performance-review/6 https://www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performanc...
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- dylan604 5y ago
  >However... once you throw in the lack of games compiled for ARM and designed to run on Metal, most of that potential is wasted. If you build it, they will come? Has Apple ever had this much GPU ability to actualy run decent games (if they were available)?
  - neogodless 5y ago
    Yes and no? For example, the previous Macbook Pro had a Radeon 5600M which was plenty to run decent games. But I don't know the breakdown across the Mac product line for ownership. In other words, how many Mac computers have the hardware to run decent games? Even now, the M1 found in the Air/13" Pro can run "decent" games but comparable to a low level discrete GPU. So if most Apple users own those rather than something with an M1 Pro/Max, then this particular market still has a very small addressable market of gamers.
    - ghaff 5y ago
      In terms of numbers, I'm sure the vast majority of Macs in active use are still Intel-based and will be for at least a few years.
- blinkingled 5y ago
  Wasted potential is a common theme between all of Apple's platforms now - lots of great benchmarks but little if anything that can exploit the hardware's capabilities. On iOS/iPadOS the OS and walled garden restricts it, on the Macs looks like the old all games are on Windows problem made worse by Metal. Apple should showcase real-world apps using the M1 and compare it to Windows/x64.
  - jolux 5y ago
    The pro media apps can exploit it. I suppose game developers are uninterested though.

by kcb 5y ago

From the reviews I've seen so far, seems like Apples "Relative Perfomance Points" benchmarks were as misleading as expected for the GPU. The M1 Max is more like a 3060 in performance not a 3080.

AnEro 5y ago

I'm going to be honest, I didn't have the expectations that any custom hardware would perform like a companies benchmarks claim they do. Since they would be cherry picked to hell and back, especially apple. The fact it has a geekbench score that makes my gen2 threadripper look bad and can still have 3060 performance in a laptop is still very impressive to me.

atonse 5y ago
As much as I give Apple crap for some of their marketing, their CPU and battery claims usually tend to be quite spot on and reproducible by reviewers. That's what I've noticed over the years.

neogodless 5y ago

If you look at Anandtech[0], you can get a clearer picture. In synthetic, isolated benchmarks, the GPU could have similar hardware performance to an RTX 3080 mobile. However... once you throw in the lack of games compiled for ARM and designed to run on Metal, most of that potential is wasted. Having never owned an Apple product, these sound like excellent machines, but I still want to be able to play the games on my expensive, powerful hardware. So I'd like to see what they can do if they are targeted. The M1 from last year didn't seem to change anything. It'll be interesting to see if this does. Will increasing market share and consumer demand be enough to push some more development of games for these machines? At least in theory the hardware is there now for reasonable gaming performance. [0] https://www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performance-review/6 https://www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performanc...

deleted 5y ago
[deleted]
dylan604 5y ago
>However... once you throw in the lack of games compiled for ARM and designed to run on Metal, most of that potential is wasted. If you build it, they will come? Has Apple ever had this much GPU ability to actualy run decent games (if they were available)?
- neogodless 5y ago
  Yes and no? For example, the previous Macbook Pro had a Radeon 5600M which was plenty to run decent games. But I don't know the breakdown across the Mac product line for ownership. In other words, how many Mac computers have the hardware to run decent games? Even now, the M1 found in the Air/13" Pro can run "decent" games but comparable to a low level discrete GPU. So if most Apple users own those rather than something with an M1 Pro/Max, then this particular market still has a very small addressable market of gamers.
  - ghaff 5y ago
    In terms of numbers, I'm sure the vast majority of Macs in active use are still Intel-based and will be for at least a few years.
blinkingled 5y ago
Wasted potential is a common theme between all of Apple's platforms now - lots of great benchmarks but little if anything that can exploit the hardware's capabilities. On iOS/iPadOS the OS and walled garden restricts it, on the Macs looks like the old all games are on Windows problem made worse by Metal. Apple should showcase real-world apps using the M1 and compare it to Windows/x64.
- jolux 5y ago
  The pro media apps can exploit it. I suppose game developers are uninterested though.