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There’s a giant conversation here about whether Facebook should be the “judge” or whatever. You guys don’t get it, do you? The senior execs and inner circle at

by numair 5y ago

There’s a giant conversation here about whether Facebook should be the “judge” or whatever. You guys don’t get it, do you? The senior execs and inner circle at that company are actively engaged in swaying political discourse, the way laws are written, US foreign policy, foreign elections, and so on... This is not like employees of a power company asking to turn the power off to a church or something totally bizarre and nonsensical. This is an intensely politically active organization that styles itself as a global shadow government and utilizes a massive revolving door of political employees, lobbyists, “advisors,” and “guest speakers,” being asked by its employees to use its self-ordained role as kingmaker and discourse-shaper in ways they feel would be less harmful to society. They have every right to argue for change, because they can see what a Death Star that thing looks like from the inside. As long as the Death Star exists, people are going to fight over where to direct that death-ray. Agree with the employees’ political beliefs or don’t — what should concern you is that such a weapon exists in the first place. This is not like AOL, and that wannabe Emperor and his pals specifically intended for that. This racket is not an inevitable consequence of technology — it’s a mind virus run amok.

ljlolel 5y ago
You almost have it. But missing the part that other major media organizations (like NYT) are also “Death Stars” with political motivations run by execs—- and have caused and continue to cause things like the Iraq war.
- jessaustin 5y ago
  Indeed, the role, if not the entire existence, of the war media of which FB is now a part is predicated upon the inherently hazardous (to socialists overseas, but ultimately to domestic patriots as well) military-political system we've allowed to fester in USA.
- numair 5y ago
  I helped Facebook build the Platform, even going so far as convincing Dave Morin to leave Apple and work on it, because I was worried about evils of Murdoch. So trust me, I know all about exactly what you cited. Facebook is a very different sort of devil. To the point where all of the other devils are afraid of them. Even I didn’t realize how insane these people were, and continue to be. They’d be toast by now, if they hadn’t been able to successfully hijack the governmental and political machines to keep themselves seen as “essential” and worthy of protection — there’s that Death Star at work. I know, I need to write about this in more detail. It’s on my to-do list. I have spent a long time waiting to see if society would figure out what a giant scam these people were — I am pleasantly surprised. You’ve got to remember that, 10 years ago, people wanted to nominate those lunatics for the Nobel Peace Prize. Being an enemy of Facebook was equivalent to being an enemy of the state.
  - furgooswft13 5y ago
    You could nuke Facebook from orbit right now and nothing would change. The media would move on to their next target. > I have spent a long time waiting to see if society would figure out what a giant scam these people were — I am pleasantly surprised. Society has not figured out shit. It is doing the same thing it always does, lap up the Manufactured Consent being pushed out by these media organizations. The press is the enemy. Facebook and their execs have no power. They are completely beholden to the media and their lackeys in the government.
287324234234 5y ago
> They have every right to argue for change, because they can see what a Death Star that thing looks like from the inside. Sorry but the US left is far more death-star-like than the right. Your "death-ray" is cancel culture and censorship, which is what these left-leaning employees are asking for. They are more akin to Storm Troopers, stomping out freedom across the galaxy. They literally banned their primary political opponent from all social media platforms...
- numair 5y ago
  No, try again. This has nothing to do with being on the left or the right or the center or upside-down. This is about a capability, not its particular use. You’re obsessing over the surface-level details, rather than asking the deeper question of, “why do these people believe they have the ability to do these things in the first place? Are they trying to do something unprecedented, or are there other people at that organization who are secretly doing this behind our backs in a completely non-transparent and unaccountable manner?” You’re being played. While you waste all of your energy arguing over minutiae with the “other side,” nothing changes. And nobody notices they’re funding both sides, and working to make both sides look absolutely ridiculous to each other.
aszte 5y ago
Easy to forget when Hillary lost, ppl within FB were totally shocked and suprised. What type of weapon is that then, if they have no clue what is about to unfold inspite of all that data?
- numair 5y ago
  You’re correct to remember that there were people within FB who were shocked and surprised that Hilary lost. But you seem to have forgotten that there were also people within FB, including board members within Zuckerberg’s inner circle, who saw the internal data and used it to buy the political equivalent of out-of-the-money options on Trump winning.
  - aszte 5y ago
    True but then Trump went and lost and got kicked off the network. My point is its more a chaos factory than a controllable weapon. It no one can tell if their own head is going to be blown off, when they wield the weapon, then its not a very good one. That said, there are lot of people who have become Like and Follower chasing robots thanks to FBs content mechanics and that fuel the chaos. These people think they are great shapers of reality, but the outcomes speak for themselves. There are no lasting results or outcomes that will go into the political history book from all the activity that happens on FB. Its just wasting everyones time and energy. And for that reason it will suddenly one day collapse and everyone will stand around shocked and suprised just as they did with Hilary. Chaos is easy to generate and impossible to control. And it will be FBs downfall.

by numair 5y ago

ljlolel 5y ago

You almost have it. But missing the part that other major media organizations (like NYT) are also “Death Stars” with political motivations run by execs—- and have caused and continue to cause things like the Iraq war.

jessaustin 5y ago
Indeed, the role, if not the entire existence, of the war media of which FB is now a part is predicated upon the inherently hazardous (to socialists overseas, but ultimately to domestic patriots as well) military-political system we've allowed to fester in USA.
numair 5y ago
I helped Facebook build the Platform, even going so far as convincing Dave Morin to leave Apple and work on it, because I was worried about evils of Murdoch. So trust me, I know all about exactly what you cited. Facebook is a very different sort of devil. To the point where all of the other devils are afraid of them. Even I didn’t realize how insane these people were, and continue to be. They’d be toast by now, if they hadn’t been able to successfully hijack the governmental and political machines to keep themselves seen as “essential” and worthy of protection — there’s that Death Star at work. I know, I need to write about this in more detail. It’s on my to-do list. I have spent a long time waiting to see if society would figure out what a giant scam these people were — I am pleasantly surprised. You’ve got to remember that, 10 years ago, people wanted to nominate those lunatics for the Nobel Peace Prize. Being an enemy of Facebook was equivalent to being an enemy of the state.
- furgooswft13 5y ago
  You could nuke Facebook from orbit right now and nothing would change. The media would move on to their next target. > I have spent a long time waiting to see if society would figure out what a giant scam these people were — I am pleasantly surprised. Society has not figured out shit. It is doing the same thing it always does, lap up the Manufactured Consent being pushed out by these media organizations. The press is the enemy. Facebook and their execs have no power. They are completely beholden to the media and their lackeys in the government.

287324234234 5y ago

> They have every right to argue for change, because they can see what a Death Star that thing looks like from the inside. Sorry but the US left is far more death-star-like than the right. Your "death-ray" is cancel culture and censorship, which is what these left-leaning employees are asking for. They are more akin to Storm Troopers, stomping out freedom across the galaxy. They literally banned their primary political opponent from all social media platforms...

numair 5y ago
No, try again. This has nothing to do with being on the left or the right or the center or upside-down. This is about a capability, not its particular use. You’re obsessing over the surface-level details, rather than asking the deeper question of, “why do these people believe they have the ability to do these things in the first place? Are they trying to do something unprecedented, or are there other people at that organization who are secretly doing this behind our backs in a completely non-transparent and unaccountable manner?” You’re being played. While you waste all of your energy arguing over minutiae with the “other side,” nothing changes. And nobody notices they’re funding both sides, and working to make both sides look absolutely ridiculous to each other.

aszte 5y ago

Easy to forget when Hillary lost, ppl within FB were totally shocked and suprised. What type of weapon is that then, if they have no clue what is about to unfold inspite of all that data?

numair 5y ago
You’re correct to remember that there were people within FB who were shocked and surprised that Hilary lost. But you seem to have forgotten that there were also people within FB, including board members within Zuckerberg’s inner circle, who saw the internal data and used it to buy the political equivalent of out-of-the-money options on Trump winning.
- aszte 5y ago
  True but then Trump went and lost and got kicked off the network. My point is its more a chaos factory than a controllable weapon. It no one can tell if their own head is going to be blown off, when they wield the weapon, then its not a very good one. That said, there are lot of people who have become Like and Follower chasing robots thanks to FBs content mechanics and that fuel the chaos. These people think they are great shapers of reality, but the outcomes speak for themselves. There are no lasting results or outcomes that will go into the political history book from all the activity that happens on FB. Its just wasting everyones time and energy. And for that reason it will suddenly one day collapse and everyone will stand around shocked and suprised just as they did with Hilary. Chaos is easy to generate and impossible to control. And it will be FBs downfall.