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They care, they just don't want to pick a fight. They might judge you and believe the reason you're not on camera is because you're busy doing something else.

hnzix 5y ago
These are probably the same people who care if I leave the office on time instead of staying late every night. I don't care to please these people.
- matsemann 5y ago
  It's not. Why do you have to assign other bad qualities to people you disagree with? Just to make it easier on yourself to disagree?
  - Arnavion 5y ago
    Ironic, coming from the person who said that other people judge me when I don't have my camera on.
  - dabbledash 5y ago
    >> Why do you have to assign other bad qualities to people you disagree with? Yes, inferring bad motives to other people is bad. We should try to be charitable. >> They might judge you and believe the reason you're not on camera is because you're busy doing something else. Sounds like these people ^^^ are the ones who need to hear that message.
  - johnchristopher 5y ago
    It's fair game to assume though.
piva00 5y ago
As if no one does the same on in-person meetings. Bringing their computers to the meeting, leaving them open and replying messages here and there. If they believe that it's on their side, so the reason to keep my camera on is to "show" that I've been paying attention? I work with a bunch of people who leave their camera on and are completely inattentive for parts of meetings, doing something else while looking at the computer. How is that different?
- matsemann 5y ago
  > How is that different? It's not, no one has said it is. Being inattentive is bad no matter how it's done.
  - piva00 5y ago
    Exactly, so it's not a remote, camera on-off issue, it's an attention issue that happens on any meeting. Stating that having the camera on helps with it is a non-argument to having a camera on, hence my point.
SkyPuncher 5y ago
I think it's much more nuanced than you suggest. My brother works in accounting and my father works in engineering. They rarely have their cameras on. I believe this stems from the fact that pre-COVID, they dealt with many things via telephone conference call. Everyone dialed in via a phone. When the pandemic hit, they simply brought their phone conference tendencies over to Zoom. Nobody sees it as a problem because prior to COVID, video wouldn't have even been an option.

hnzix 5y ago

These are probably the same people who care if I leave the office on time instead of staying late every night. I don't care to please these people.

matsemann 5y ago
It's not. Why do you have to assign other bad qualities to people you disagree with? Just to make it easier on yourself to disagree?
- Arnavion 5y ago
  Ironic, coming from the person who said that other people judge me when I don't have my camera on.
- dabbledash 5y ago
  >> Why do you have to assign other bad qualities to people you disagree with? Yes, inferring bad motives to other people is bad. We should try to be charitable. >> They might judge you and believe the reason you're not on camera is because you're busy doing something else. Sounds like these people ^^^ are the ones who need to hear that message.
- johnchristopher 5y ago
  It's fair game to assume though.

piva00 5y ago

As if no one does the same on in-person meetings. Bringing their computers to the meeting, leaving them open and replying messages here and there. If they believe that it's on their side, so the reason to keep my camera on is to "show" that I've been paying attention? I work with a bunch of people who leave their camera on and are completely inattentive for parts of meetings, doing something else while looking at the computer. How is that different?

matsemann 5y ago
> How is that different? It's not, no one has said it is. Being inattentive is bad no matter how it's done.
- piva00 5y ago
  Exactly, so it's not a remote, camera on-off issue, it's an attention issue that happens on any meeting. Stating that having the camera on helps with it is a non-argument to having a camera on, hence my point.

SkyPuncher 5y ago

I think it's much more nuanced than you suggest. My brother works in accounting and my father works in engineering. They rarely have their cameras on. I believe this stems from the fact that pre-COVID, they dealt with many things via telephone conference call. Everyone dialed in via a phone. When the pandemic hit, they simply brought their phone conference tendencies over to Zoom. Nobody sees it as a problem because prior to COVID, video wouldn't have even been an option.