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And even with all of that, humans still get confused while driving. Think about the last time you came upon a construction zone with unclear lane markings, or a

And even with all of that, humans still get confused while driving. Think about the last time you came upon a construction zone with unclear lane markings, or a traffic pattern change in an area where you drive frequently, almost unconsciously.

Ekaros 5y ago
A few days ago drove over intersection, but didn't turn as usual, was confused by old lane markings that were left there, from quite a time ago. Our road environment is quite far from clean.
intended 5y ago
Absolutely, which is why it should be obvious that self driving is impossible. IF I stuck STOP signs every 5 meters, a human will realize that they can be ignored and its a prank. Unless autonomous cars are trained for precisely this kind of malice they will fail. IF someone decides to hunt autonomous cars, there really is nothing in their models which will save them. They aren’t designed for predator/prey dynamics. When you open up technology to the world, you open it up to the best and worst of humanity. There is no way fully autonomous cars survive.
- pkulak 5y ago
  I can lay a spike strip across 8 lanes of highway traffic whenever I want. It's not like it takes self-driving cars to allow people to be assholes and break the law. It's why we have laws.
  - intended 5y ago
    I mean, you can find fault with different aspects of the example all you like, as long as we agree that AI will fall for tricks and pranks that normal people won’t. Driving data is inherently culture biased on the most frequent scenarios. But this is a data set with many outliers.
  - brokenmachine 5y ago
    Suddenly you don't need a spike strip and physical damage and consequences though, just some cardboard and textas to make stop signs. The bar for malice will be significantly lower, and it's the car that will be at fault, not the person with the stop sign. Can I walk around with a stop sign on a pole? Why not? It's not an official street sign. We don't have laws that I know of against carrying around homemade stop signs, I don't think, because any competent driver is able to identify that they aren't official. Maybe I should get a backpack with a stop sign on it, for when I'm riding the bike.

Ekaros 5y ago

A few days ago drove over intersection, but didn't turn as usual, was confused by old lane markings that were left there, from quite a time ago. Our road environment is quite far from clean.

intended 5y ago

Absolutely, which is why it should be obvious that self driving is impossible. IF I stuck STOP signs every 5 meters, a human will realize that they can be ignored and its a prank. Unless autonomous cars are trained for precisely this kind of malice they will fail. IF someone decides to hunt autonomous cars, there really is nothing in their models which will save them. They aren’t designed for predator/prey dynamics. When you open up technology to the world, you open it up to the best and worst of humanity. There is no way fully autonomous cars survive.

pkulak 5y ago
I can lay a spike strip across 8 lanes of highway traffic whenever I want. It's not like it takes self-driving cars to allow people to be assholes and break the law. It's why we have laws.
- intended 5y ago
  I mean, you can find fault with different aspects of the example all you like, as long as we agree that AI will fall for tricks and pranks that normal people won’t. Driving data is inherently culture biased on the most frequent scenarios. But this is a data set with many outliers.
- brokenmachine 5y ago
  Suddenly you don't need a spike strip and physical damage and consequences though, just some cardboard and textas to make stop signs. The bar for malice will be significantly lower, and it's the car that will be at fault, not the person with the stop sign. Can I walk around with a stop sign on a pole? Why not? It's not an official street sign. We don't have laws that I know of against carrying around homemade stop signs, I don't think, because any competent driver is able to identify that they aren't official. Maybe I should get a backpack with a stop sign on it, for when I'm riding the bike.