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I wouldn't replace the current one because I think the cut and cover subway aligns more with surface-level features, and that's just how people think about it (

I wouldn't replace the current one because I think the cut and cover subway aligns more with surface-level features, and that's just how people think about it (I didn't come up with this argument, but I'm afraid I don't remember where I read it). That said, I think think both maps side by side would be great. They complement each other for being good for different things.

bobthepanda 5y ago
* the current faux-geographic one is also distorted geographically though, simply because the real life geography of Manhattan would put those lines far too close together to also have room for readable text. If you think walking across Manhattan from the East River to the Hudson will take the same amount of time as walking the north-south distance of Central Park, you're in for a bad time. * the modern Vignelli (thankfully) fixes some of the 1972's version issues with things taken from the current map; namely, most of the glaring geographic issues have been fixed (50th/8th is not in the wrong place in the grid compared to 50th/7th, Broadway is now a diagonal line instead of a stair-stepping line at 90 degree angles); and the new map uses the same common-trunk coloring scheme that uses 9 colors as opposed to 1972's one color per distinct service (for something like 25+ colors).
- shock-value 5y ago
  Using Central Park's geographic center as the common intersection point, the north-south distance between the park bounds isn't actually much longer than the east-west distance between the island bounds. (North-south and east-west according to the street grid alignment, that is.)
cbhl 5y ago
After reading the article I realized the photo is actually a depiction of two new maps being tested side-by-side and not a comparison of a new map to an old map (as I would have expected from the headline).
- Ericson2314 5y ago
  Oh, Perfect!!
- jsmith45 5y ago
  Yep. Actually there can be up to three "maps" displayed side by side. The new metro "diagram" that tries to to clearly show information about how the routes work, without being geographically accurate. The new map that is geographically accurate, but less detailed with respect to the routes, but also shows selected bus stations. Optionally, in lower Manhattan, a third geographic map that for lower Manhattan blown up to the be the same size as the others (and allowing more detail). A smaller blown-up version is included in in the main geographical map as an inset, with greater detail, but perhaps not as much as the fully sized version? Unclear.
avereveard 5y ago
In Milano they have both on display, both are useful in their own complementary ways, I can't fathom having either one with a competition between the two. It's not like metro station lack wall space.
- Ericson2314 5y ago
  That's great to hear!

bobthepanda 5y ago

* the current faux-geographic one is also distorted geographically though, simply because the real life geography of Manhattan would put those lines far too close together to also have room for readable text. If you think walking across Manhattan from the East River to the Hudson will take the same amount of time as walking the north-south distance of Central Park, you're in for a bad time. * the modern Vignelli (thankfully) fixes some of the 1972's version issues with things taken from the current map; namely, most of the glaring geographic issues have been fixed (50th/8th is not in the wrong place in the grid compared to 50th/7th, Broadway is now a diagonal line instead of a stair-stepping line at 90 degree angles); and the new map uses the same common-trunk coloring scheme that uses 9 colors as opposed to 1972's one color per distinct service (for something like 25+ colors).

shock-value 5y ago
Using Central Park's geographic center as the common intersection point, the north-south distance between the park bounds isn't actually much longer than the east-west distance between the island bounds. (North-south and east-west according to the street grid alignment, that is.)

cbhl 5y ago

After reading the article I realized the photo is actually a depiction of two new maps being tested side-by-side and not a comparison of a new map to an old map (as I would have expected from the headline).

Ericson2314 5y ago
Oh, Perfect!!
jsmith45 5y ago
Yep. Actually there can be up to three "maps" displayed side by side. The new metro "diagram" that tries to to clearly show information about how the routes work, without being geographically accurate. The new map that is geographically accurate, but less detailed with respect to the routes, but also shows selected bus stations. Optionally, in lower Manhattan, a third geographic map that for lower Manhattan blown up to the be the same size as the others (and allowing more detail). A smaller blown-up version is included in in the main geographical map as an inset, with greater detail, but perhaps not as much as the fully sized version? Unclear.

avereveard 5y ago

In Milano they have both on display, both are useful in their own complementary ways, I can't fathom having either one with a competition between the two. It's not like metro station lack wall space.

Ericson2314 5y ago
That's great to hear!