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I visited Slovenia and stayed in LJ for a long week in...2012? Lovely city, enjoyed the cafe culture. THAT SAID....getting around downtown was a pain in the as

I visited Slovenia and stayed in LJ for a long week in...2012? Lovely city, enjoyed the cafe culture. THAT SAID....getting around downtown was a pain in the ass. I don't cycle so walking EVERYWHERE got tedious. The article reads that residents adapted to cycling or public transit. How do people transport physically large possessions (big screen TVs) or luggage (40kg rucksack + 25kg+ sea bag/duffel bag + 10kg assault pack)? Hauling that stuff onto a city bus would be a major inconvenience. Seems like more of the "you'll own nothing and be happy" dystopian Great Reset stuff that comes out of so many European organizations.

crubier 5y ago
> I don’t cycle so walking ... You probably have good reasons, but then you need to understand you’re not the target demographics. 95% of people can cycle, and electric bikes or trikes or tuk-this exist for the rest of the population, and are much less expensive than cars. I’m pretty sure no one HAS to use a car to survive. Heavy load cargo bikes and electric bikes exist, and are much cheaper than cars. And of course you can request autorisation from the city council (usually with a mobile app) if you really need car access to the center for some reason (moving, hauling stuff etc) Your message sounds like a strawman argument. Sorry we enjoy cycling and dislike smoky noisy cars in our face.
- post_from_work 5y ago
  >>>95% of people can cycle, and electric bikes or trikes or tuk-this exist for the rest of the population, and are much less expensive than cars. I’m pretty sure no one HAS to use a car to survive. "less expensive" "use a car to survive" "electric bikes are cheaper" It sounds like you are optimizing your urban design for a far lower level of material wealth/abundance than I would. Bikes being cheaper is only a plus if you are severely resource-constrained, but it ignores all of the positives of private vehicle ownership such as fully-enclosed, secure, environmentally-controlled transportation and storage. I live in a climate with 125 days of rainfall per year, and 75% average humidity. "Bikes are cheaper" is meaningless if I'm forced to get soaked to the bone transporting stuff in a torrential downpour or a brutally humid sunny summer. Maybe you're right, maybe I'm not the target demographic of impoverished bicycle aficionados in mild climates. I always point to Japan as "urban design done right". There are beautiful parks all over Tokyo, Osaka, and Kyoto. There are prolific cyclists getting around. And there are also street racers in 800hp sports cars screaming down the highways by night. Something for every demographic. It's inclusive. The car-hate echo chamber is REALLY strong on HN. >>>And of course you can request autorisation from the city council The last thing I want in my life is being required to engage with bureaucracy for something as simple as relocating my own belongings. >>>Your message sounds like a strawman argument. Sorry we enjoy cycling and dislike smoky noisy cars in our face. EVs are cars. They are neither smoky, nor noisy. You responded to a "strawman" with a strawman of your own.

crubier 5y ago

> I don’t cycle so walking ... You probably have good reasons, but then you need to understand you’re not the target demographics. 95% of people can cycle, and electric bikes or trikes or tuk-this exist for the rest of the population, and are much less expensive than cars. I’m pretty sure no one HAS to use a car to survive. Heavy load cargo bikes and electric bikes exist, and are much cheaper than cars. And of course you can request autorisation from the city council (usually with a mobile app) if you really need car access to the center for some reason (moving, hauling stuff etc) Your message sounds like a strawman argument. Sorry we enjoy cycling and dislike smoky noisy cars in our face.

post_from_work 5y ago
>>>95% of people can cycle, and electric bikes or trikes or tuk-this exist for the rest of the population, and are much less expensive than cars. I’m pretty sure no one HAS to use a car to survive. "less expensive" "use a car to survive" "electric bikes are cheaper" It sounds like you are optimizing your urban design for a far lower level of material wealth/abundance than I would. Bikes being cheaper is only a plus if you are severely resource-constrained, but it ignores all of the positives of private vehicle ownership such as fully-enclosed, secure, environmentally-controlled transportation and storage. I live in a climate with 125 days of rainfall per year, and 75% average humidity. "Bikes are cheaper" is meaningless if I'm forced to get soaked to the bone transporting stuff in a torrential downpour or a brutally humid sunny summer. Maybe you're right, maybe I'm not the target demographic of impoverished bicycle aficionados in mild climates. I always point to Japan as "urban design done right". There are beautiful parks all over Tokyo, Osaka, and Kyoto. There are prolific cyclists getting around. And there are also street racers in 800hp sports cars screaming down the highways by night. Something for every demographic. It's inclusive. The car-hate echo chamber is REALLY strong on HN. >>>And of course you can request autorisation from the city council The last thing I want in my life is being required to engage with bureaucracy for something as simple as relocating my own belongings. >>>Your message sounds like a strawman argument. Sorry we enjoy cycling and dislike smoky noisy cars in our face. EVs are cars. They are neither smoky, nor noisy. You responded to a "strawman" with a strawman of your own.