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Based on that description was expecting it to be an online third party seller at walmart.com, went and read the article and was surprised to see it made it onto

by mey 5y ago

Based on that description was expecting it to be an online third party seller at walmart.com, went and read the article and was surprised to see it made it onto physical store shelves. The quackery sold with a smile in "reputable" stores is insane. (Waves at Whole Foods)

kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
A local grocery store has a prominent display of CBD products with signage declaring that it's for the "human cannabinoid system". I really wish the FDA would exercise its power and live up to its mission to get these clowns away from the gullible public.
- rgbrenner 5y ago
  There is a "human cannabinoid system"... it's called the endocannabinoid system (ECS); and THC and CBD interact with it to produce their effects. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocannabinoid_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocannabinoid_system
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > I really wish the FDA would exercise its power and live up to its mission to get these clowns away from the gullible public. IIRC, with regard to supplements (as with homeopathy), the FDAs toothlessness is by statute, not discretion. So, Congress needs to act.
- 01100011 5y ago
  CBT products?
  - robflynn 5y ago
    Nah, it's CBD (Cannabidiol)
    - 01100011 5y ago
      Op fixed his text but now I don't understand his point. Why aren't CBD products for the "human cannabinoid system"? Is he saying they should have said "mammals" or "animals" instead?
      - meowface 5y ago
        Yeah, I don't understand what they mean. The marketing sounds accurate to me.
      - robflynn 5y ago
        Ah, sorry, didn't see it had been edited. Yeah I'm not sure what they're getting at. Isn't Endocannabinoid system just a shortened form of Endogenous Cannabinoid system?
- yeetaccount 5y ago
  They let the homeopathy shit fly, not sure why they’d get involved in this. Nuke it all from orbit IMHO.
  - jiggawatts 5y ago
    In an ideal world, all of the following should be flat out banned: Homeopathy. Crystal healing. Chiropractic. Herbal medicine. Chinese traditional medicine. Cupping. Acupuncture. However, this would upset a lot of people and reduce taxes collected, so... never going to happen.
    - tartoran 5y ago
      While I know chiropractice is filled with quacks, some of it genuinely helps people. I’ve watched a series on youtube where people with very bad posture recover then are unrecognizablly much better after a few treatments and it’s quite authentic as well. I don’t think banning it would be a very productive endavor. Homeopathy is kindof a quack but placebo isn’t so if people swear by it let them be, it doesn’t bother me in the slightest. The only solution is education. Who gets something out of education can get better odds but at the end of the day people will do what the believe is best for them. Covid conspiracy theories and the reluctance to vaccinate is a very good example on how stubborn people are. Spending resources to fight against that is not the best use of resources imo.
      - FastEatSlow 5y ago
        > While I know chiropractice is filled with quacks, some of it genuinely helps people That could be the Placebo effect, but my opinion is very much biased by my experience of quacks, it's sad to see older people fall for what quacks write. > The only solution is education. My friend's sister is a nurse, so I thought he'd be more educated about it. Turned out that he's terrified of it now from her stories about blood clots.
        tartoran 5y ago
        Sure but not old people fall for it. Some are skeptical of quackery because they are either better educated or experienced enough to have the intuition they’re being led on. Others don’t and their gullibility will make them victims in many other areas. Education is the only possible help they could get. Banning whatever quacky things will only make them more desirable.
- noduerme 5y ago
  I wonder how you'd explain to someone from the 19th Century why the public is perhaps even more gullible for snake oil and miracle cures now as it was then, despite having vastly greater literacy rates and access to information. I have a hard time putting my finger on a particular reason this should be the case, other than human nature being what it is, and it's one of the things that makes me feel like we got switched to the wrong timeline.
  - FastEatSlow 5y ago
    I believe that people themselves aren't as gullible, but rather that we now know how to manipulate people much better. Huge companies like FAANGs only exist because of human manipulation, there's entire fields dedicated to manipulating us, the obvious being marketing, but data science is also used for this.
    - noduerme 5y ago
      I love this answer. It implies that manipulation and reason/common sense are in a kind of arms race. If humans are actually getting better at spotting B.S., just not as quickly as orgs are finding new ways to manipulate them, then maybe what's programmed can be de-programmed.
      - FastEatSlow 5y ago
        I wonder what would have to be done to turn it around. The B.S. detectors seem to be less effective during panic and stress, so marketing must be booming right now thanks to the pandemic.
        deleted 5y ago
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      - TheSpiceIsLife 5y ago
        Remember also that roughly half of any given population is approximately below average, on any axis you care to measure. Combine that with majority in many democratic systems being 51%. And we’re in for a hell of a mediocre time.
- malwarebytess 5y ago
  That's a good enough description? CBD has established therapeutic effects.
- Lazare 5y ago
  CBD has quite a lot of scientific support. And it works by interacting with the human cannabinoid system, which is a real scientific thing. Even worse, the FDA has been flexing its muscles trying to prevent CBD products being sold[0][1][2], despite the products being restricted having no health concerns. You can sell all manner of dietary supplements and "superfoods", but according to the FDA, not a cup of tea with a few drops of CBD oil. [0]: https://www.inquirer.com/business/weed/cbd-legal-cannabis-weavers-way-fda-lietzan-health-food-fuel-kombucha-ice-cream-20190326.html https://www.inquirer.com/business/weed/cbd-legal-cannabis-we... [1]: https://reason.com/2019/09/07/pointless-cbd-bans-are-spreading-like-well-cbd/ https://reason.com/2019/09/07/pointless-cbd-bans-are-spreadi... [2]: https://thetakeout.com/cbd-food-drink-banned-illegal-states-washington-fda-1837706315 https://thetakeout.com/cbd-food-drink-banned-illegal-states-...
  - kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
    That's all well and good. It is not a fundamental "system" of human physiology no more than we have an "aspirin system".
    - BadCookie 5y ago
      You are simply mistaken.
      - Cycl0ps 5y ago
        Then you should simply correct them with evidence
        Sebguer 5y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocannabinoid_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocannabinoid_system
        Cycl0ps 5y ago
        Thank you
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
tzs 5y ago
It's even worse at drug stores such as CVS, Rite Aid, Walgreen's, and similar. Go looking for some non-prescription relief for cold or allergy symptoms, for example, and their shelves will be full of homeopathic products side by side with the actual medicines.

by mey 5y ago

kevin_thibedeau 5y ago

A local grocery store has a prominent display of CBD products with signage declaring that it's for the "human cannabinoid system". I really wish the FDA would exercise its power and live up to its mission to get these clowns away from the gullible public.

rgbrenner 5y ago
There is a "human cannabinoid system"... it's called the endocannabinoid system (ECS); and THC and CBD interact with it to produce their effects. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocannabinoid_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocannabinoid_system
dragonwriter 5y ago
> I really wish the FDA would exercise its power and live up to its mission to get these clowns away from the gullible public. IIRC, with regard to supplements (as with homeopathy), the FDAs toothlessness is by statute, not discretion. So, Congress needs to act.
01100011 5y ago
CBT products?
- robflynn 5y ago
  Nah, it's CBD (Cannabidiol)
  - 01100011 5y ago
    Op fixed his text but now I don't understand his point. Why aren't CBD products for the "human cannabinoid system"? Is he saying they should have said "mammals" or "animals" instead?
    - meowface 5y ago
      Yeah, I don't understand what they mean. The marketing sounds accurate to me.
    - robflynn 5y ago
      Ah, sorry, didn't see it had been edited. Yeah I'm not sure what they're getting at. Isn't Endocannabinoid system just a shortened form of Endogenous Cannabinoid system?
yeetaccount 5y ago
They let the homeopathy shit fly, not sure why they’d get involved in this. Nuke it all from orbit IMHO.
- jiggawatts 5y ago
  In an ideal world, all of the following should be flat out banned: Homeopathy. Crystal healing. Chiropractic. Herbal medicine. Chinese traditional medicine. Cupping. Acupuncture. However, this would upset a lot of people and reduce taxes collected, so... never going to happen.
  - tartoran 5y ago
    While I know chiropractice is filled with quacks, some of it genuinely helps people. I’ve watched a series on youtube where people with very bad posture recover then are unrecognizablly much better after a few treatments and it’s quite authentic as well. I don’t think banning it would be a very productive endavor. Homeopathy is kindof a quack but placebo isn’t so if people swear by it let them be, it doesn’t bother me in the slightest. The only solution is education. Who gets something out of education can get better odds but at the end of the day people will do what the believe is best for them. Covid conspiracy theories and the reluctance to vaccinate is a very good example on how stubborn people are. Spending resources to fight against that is not the best use of resources imo.
    - FastEatSlow 5y ago
      > While I know chiropractice is filled with quacks, some of it genuinely helps people That could be the Placebo effect, but my opinion is very much biased by my experience of quacks, it's sad to see older people fall for what quacks write. > The only solution is education. My friend's sister is a nurse, so I thought he'd be more educated about it. Turned out that he's terrified of it now from her stories about blood clots.
      - tartoran 5y ago
        Sure but not old people fall for it. Some are skeptical of quackery because they are either better educated or experienced enough to have the intuition they’re being led on. Others don’t and their gullibility will make them victims in many other areas. Education is the only possible help they could get. Banning whatever quacky things will only make them more desirable.
noduerme 5y ago
I wonder how you'd explain to someone from the 19th Century why the public is perhaps even more gullible for snake oil and miracle cures now as it was then, despite having vastly greater literacy rates and access to information. I have a hard time putting my finger on a particular reason this should be the case, other than human nature being what it is, and it's one of the things that makes me feel like we got switched to the wrong timeline.
- FastEatSlow 5y ago
  I believe that people themselves aren't as gullible, but rather that we now know how to manipulate people much better. Huge companies like FAANGs only exist because of human manipulation, there's entire fields dedicated to manipulating us, the obvious being marketing, but data science is also used for this.
  - noduerme 5y ago
    I love this answer. It implies that manipulation and reason/common sense are in a kind of arms race. If humans are actually getting better at spotting B.S., just not as quickly as orgs are finding new ways to manipulate them, then maybe what's programmed can be de-programmed.
    - FastEatSlow 5y ago
      I wonder what would have to be done to turn it around. The B.S. detectors seem to be less effective during panic and stress, so marketing must be booming right now thanks to the pandemic.
      - deleted 5y ago
        [deleted]
    - TheSpiceIsLife 5y ago
      Remember also that roughly half of any given population is approximately below average, on any axis you care to measure. Combine that with majority in many democratic systems being 51%. And we’re in for a hell of a mediocre time.
malwarebytess 5y ago
That's a good enough description? CBD has established therapeutic effects.
Lazare 5y ago
CBD has quite a lot of scientific support. And it works by interacting with the human cannabinoid system, which is a real scientific thing. Even worse, the FDA has been flexing its muscles trying to prevent CBD products being sold[0][1][2], despite the products being restricted having no health concerns. You can sell all manner of dietary supplements and "superfoods", but according to the FDA, not a cup of tea with a few drops of CBD oil. [0]: https://www.inquirer.com/business/weed/cbd-legal-cannabis-weavers-way-fda-lietzan-health-food-fuel-kombucha-ice-cream-20190326.html https://www.inquirer.com/business/weed/cbd-legal-cannabis-we... [1]: https://reason.com/2019/09/07/pointless-cbd-bans-are-spreading-like-well-cbd/ https://reason.com/2019/09/07/pointless-cbd-bans-are-spreadi... [2]: https://thetakeout.com/cbd-food-drink-banned-illegal-states-washington-fda-1837706315 https://thetakeout.com/cbd-food-drink-banned-illegal-states-...
- kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
  That's all well and good. It is not a fundamental "system" of human physiology no more than we have an "aspirin system".
  - BadCookie 5y ago
    You are simply mistaken.
    - Cycl0ps 5y ago
      Then you should simply correct them with evidence
      - Sebguer 5y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocannabinoid_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocannabinoid_system
        Cycl0ps 5y ago
        Thank you
deleted 5y ago
[deleted]

tzs 5y ago

It's even worse at drug stores such as CVS, Rite Aid, Walgreen's, and similar. Go looking for some non-prescription relief for cold or allergy symptoms, for example, and their shelves will be full of homeopathic products side by side with the actual medicines.