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Yeahhhh but the context doesn’t negate the fact that the word is a reference to exploitation. I’m with the parent comment on this one. If it was 2005 I probably

Yeahhhh but the context doesn’t negate the fact that the word is a reference to exploitation. I’m with the parent comment on this one. If it was 2005 I probably wouldn’t have blinked but ya know, the world moves on. There are just so many names to pick from! I find the choice very confusing. Too cringe-y for me to consider sharing or using personally, but I’m sure some will and I hope they enjoy it.

siva7 5y ago
Words can have many different unrelated meanings, based on context. Going with sexual exploitation is beyond absurdity when Pimp my X is a well-known cultural reference
- woodruffw 5y ago
  I’m pretty sympathetic in this case, but to point out the obvious: something being a “well-known cultural reference” isn’t itself a strong justification for using language or symbols that are known to be offensive. An intuitive case for most people: we all recognize the car from The Dukes of Hazzard, but you probably shouldn’t put the confederate battle flag on your own car as a reference to it.
  - VonGallifrey 5y ago
    > language or symbols that are known to be offensive. Known? It seems like many people are disagreeing with you. Who knows that it is offensive? Who decided? Can you tell me or did you just write it in this way to avoid saying directly that it is just your personal opinion that this word is offensive?
    - woodruffw 5y ago
      I’m not particularly offended by the word “pimp” (I’m not easily offended in general, thanks(?) to years of imageboard culture). But that’s entirely separate from the question of whether the word “pimp” is, in fact, offensive. I think failing to acknowledge that it is a generally offensive word is more a testament to obstinacy than anything else.
  - twofornone 5y ago
    >that are known to be offensive Unironically, virtue signalling is offensive to me. What now? Who defines offensiveness? >you probably shouldn’t put the confederate battle flag on your own car as a reference to it. Who are you to define a cultural symbol for other people? I think we need to recognize that offense is not given, it is taken; and it is up to the individual to recognize that context matters before taking offense. The alternative is effectively authoritarianism, dictation of culture and weaponization of victimhood.
    - woodruffw 5y ago
      In case it wasn’t clear, the offensiveness of the confederate battle flag is assumed: I don’t think there’s a counterposition that’s worth seriously entertaining. Put another way: it’s outside of the realm of serious conversation to dry to pull a fast one with relativism when the subject is something so cut-and-dry. If you feel offended by other people saying that they are uncomfortable with things (which, again, doesn’t clearly translate to “virtue signaling” to me), then that sounds like a “you” problem. It’s worth introspecting on why others’ feelings affect yours that much, and why that comes out in such breathless language as “authoritarian,” “weaponization,” &c.
      - twofornone 5y ago
        >In case it wasn’t clear, the offensiveness of the confederate battle flag is assumed: I don’t think there’s a counterposition that’s worth seriously entertaining. Put another way: it’s outside of the realm of serious conversation to dry to pull a fast one with relativism when the subject is something so cut-and-dry. This is only true if you live in an urban bubble. The confederate flag represents more than racism and slavery to southerners, frankly, you are narrow minded. And your interpretation is, ironically, offensive to those who live in the south. Herein lies the conundrum. You have no right to dictate, what is and is not cut and dry to other people. >why that comes out in such breathless language as “authoritarian,” “weaponization,” &c. Because inevitably those among us who are the loudest regarding political correctness use it as a tool to grab at power that more often than not is undeserved. They are aggressors in a culture war which is has long ago consumed academia and is rapidly spreading through industry; political correctness is literally thought control and as such forms a foundation for authoritarianism. I repeat, you have no right to dictate what symbols mean to me - your culture does not supercede mine. All symbols must be considered alongside within the context of intent. I am not offended by people saying that they are uncomfortable, I am offended by such people telling me I am not allowed to use certain symbols or language, or have certain thoughts, under penalty of termination of employment or blacklisting, since ultimately this is a unilateral imposition of culture. And in fact when such political correctness spreads to other countries, when westerners start insisting that, say, Japan is not diverse or LGBT friendly enough, this is modern cultural imperialism. I don't need it at home and it isn't right abroad either. This is about far more than pronouns and flags.

siva7 5y ago

Words can have many different unrelated meanings, based on context. Going with sexual exploitation is beyond absurdity when Pimp my X is a well-known cultural reference

woodruffw 5y ago
I’m pretty sympathetic in this case, but to point out the obvious: something being a “well-known cultural reference” isn’t itself a strong justification for using language or symbols that are known to be offensive. An intuitive case for most people: we all recognize the car from The Dukes of Hazzard, but you probably shouldn’t put the confederate battle flag on your own car as a reference to it.
- VonGallifrey 5y ago
  > language or symbols that are known to be offensive. Known? It seems like many people are disagreeing with you. Who knows that it is offensive? Who decided? Can you tell me or did you just write it in this way to avoid saying directly that it is just your personal opinion that this word is offensive?
  - woodruffw 5y ago
    I’m not particularly offended by the word “pimp” (I’m not easily offended in general, thanks(?) to years of imageboard culture). But that’s entirely separate from the question of whether the word “pimp” is, in fact, offensive. I think failing to acknowledge that it is a generally offensive word is more a testament to obstinacy than anything else.
- twofornone 5y ago
  >that are known to be offensive Unironically, virtue signalling is offensive to me. What now? Who defines offensiveness? >you probably shouldn’t put the confederate battle flag on your own car as a reference to it. Who are you to define a cultural symbol for other people? I think we need to recognize that offense is not given, it is taken; and it is up to the individual to recognize that context matters before taking offense. The alternative is effectively authoritarianism, dictation of culture and weaponization of victimhood.
  - woodruffw 5y ago
    In case it wasn’t clear, the offensiveness of the confederate battle flag is assumed: I don’t think there’s a counterposition that’s worth seriously entertaining. Put another way: it’s outside of the realm of serious conversation to dry to pull a fast one with relativism when the subject is something so cut-and-dry. If you feel offended by other people saying that they are uncomfortable with things (which, again, doesn’t clearly translate to “virtue signaling” to me), then that sounds like a “you” problem. It’s worth introspecting on why others’ feelings affect yours that much, and why that comes out in such breathless language as “authoritarian,” “weaponization,” &c.
    - twofornone 5y ago
      >In case it wasn’t clear, the offensiveness of the confederate battle flag is assumed: I don’t think there’s a counterposition that’s worth seriously entertaining. Put another way: it’s outside of the realm of serious conversation to dry to pull a fast one with relativism when the subject is something so cut-and-dry. This is only true if you live in an urban bubble. The confederate flag represents more than racism and slavery to southerners, frankly, you are narrow minded. And your interpretation is, ironically, offensive to those who live in the south. Herein lies the conundrum. You have no right to dictate, what is and is not cut and dry to other people. >why that comes out in such breathless language as “authoritarian,” “weaponization,” &c. Because inevitably those among us who are the loudest regarding political correctness use it as a tool to grab at power that more often than not is undeserved. They are aggressors in a culture war which is has long ago consumed academia and is rapidly spreading through industry; political correctness is literally thought control and as such forms a foundation for authoritarianism. I repeat, you have no right to dictate what symbols mean to me - your culture does not supercede mine. All symbols must be considered alongside within the context of intent. I am not offended by people saying that they are uncomfortable, I am offended by such people telling me I am not allowed to use certain symbols or language, or have certain thoughts, under penalty of termination of employment or blacklisting, since ultimately this is a unilateral imposition of culture. And in fact when such political correctness spreads to other countries, when westerners start insisting that, say, Japan is not diverse or LGBT friendly enough, this is modern cultural imperialism. I don't need it at home and it isn't right abroad either. This is about far more than pronouns and flags.