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> real anti-social bullies that mess up their neighbors or neighborhood. That can mean "marginalized for some non-criminal reason". Sounds disgusting.
by exporectomy 5y ago
> real anti-social bullies that mess up their neighbors or neighborhood.
That can mean "marginalized for some non-criminal reason". Sounds disgusting.
- vkou 5y agoI would like to point out that a legal justice system that kills and imprisons people based on a decision of a judge, and optionally, twelve strangers, may be a 'disgusting' dystopia, or necessary for society to operate. What separates the two are the social norms they operate under. I'd also like to remind everyone that in many shared living spaces, landlords have the power to kick anti-social people out - and the fewer tenant protections there are, the less oversight they are subject to.
- exporectomy 5y agoSure. But at least with criminal justice, there is an effort to make it predictable and consistent so you know when you're breaking the law or not - ideally of course. On the other hand, arbitrary rules that are made up on the fly to get rid of marginalized people is a hallmark of repressive governments as well as common bullying. It entrenches the power of the politically powerful.
- teekert 5y agoActually I'm really happy to know that if my neighbors really start to mess with my night rest or air quality, they can be punished via the justice system. We live pretty close together here.
- exporectomy 5y agoYou're only thinking of it from the point of view of the dissatisfied person. Put yourself in the shoes of the person "messing with your night rest" without demonizing them. But why do you already have laws and bylaws for that sort of thing if you want to punish people for offenses that explicitly fall below the level of what the law disallows? My concern is the kind of problem that happens in abusive workplaces, school bullying, abusive relationships, etc. Without rules, the powerful people slowly edge the victims out by always finding something they're doing "wrong". The victim may even believe it and keep trying to please but eventually be expelled anyway.
- teekert 5y agoIf you’re outside partying with loud music in a residential area, keeping kids out of their sleep, at some point, you just have to go.