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Yeah fudds haven't made up the bulk of the gun scene since the 90s really. I hope that since people in video games can use use a wide variety of weapons we get

Yeah fudds haven't made up the bulk of the gun scene since the 90s really. I hope that since people in video games can use use a wide variety of weapons we get some push back against banning specific gun types. Opening the MG registry would be really good and maybe this is a way to encourage it, same for removing suppressor and SBR regulations. Btw there is some intersection between the two, a lot of the guys behind the 3d-printed gun movement are moving to decentralized technologies for chat, video hosting, etc. because the gun-grabbers running mainstream platforms don't like them.

JKCalhoun 5y ago
Fudds. When I hear that I hear "n*-lover" or some other term meant to exclude anyone that isn't extremist/fanatical.
- collegeburner 5y ago
  Uhh that's not what it means the way I've ever heard it used, sorry if you got that tho. How I've heard it and use it, it's for 2 groups: 1. People who don't care about stopping gun-grabbers as long as they can keep their .30-30 henry or remington 870 or whatever, because "nobody needs one of them plastic guns, they're for killing people!" 2. People who are generally ignorant/out-of-date/willfully uneducated. The "muh 2 world wars, stopping power, I use a .45 cause they don't make a 46" boomer-tier stuff. The "22 is the deadliest caliber because it tumbles around inside!" people. Edit: yeah, as 'nataz pointed out it's from Elmer Fudd. I'll tell you that most of the racist people I've met in the gun scene are fudds. The ones you'd call "fanatical" don't give a shit who you are as long as you're pro-gun and/or anti-govt.
  - JKCalhoun 5y ago
    Your #1 is exactly what I am referring to.
    - collegeburner 5y ago
      Ok then I'll disagree with your implication that anybody who cares about more than old hunting arms is "extremist/fanatical". I have no problem with having a term to refer to people who only care about their rights to own their arms. Also what did you mean by "n*-lover" and how do you think it relates to ppl who want more than hunting guns to remain legal? Tbh that makes it sound like you're flaim-bating.
      - JKCalhoun 5y ago
        There is a dismissiveness from the extremists toward those who own guns but believe in regulating guns. As though if you claim to be one of us you can't also be nuanced and believe the "other side" have merit as well. Bump stocks. I think they should remain illegal. I'm a fudd. Fully automatic, military weapons should probably remain heavily regulated. I'm a fudd. This is what I'm describing. Dick Metcalf as editor of Guns and Ammo magazine suggested in an editorial that maybe some gun regulation is a good thing. He was out after that.
        collegeburner 5y ago
        Yeah, fair description. Still think your calling us "extremists" is comparable or worse tho. It's more that "one of us" is more "people who think the government has no business regulating guns" than "people who own guns". I disagree, bump stocks are largely a gimmick and automatics are "military weapons" because they've been so limited for the populace. I don't see the problem with "fudd" to describe people who care only about their guns.
        JKCalhoun 5y ago
        Gun owners that think we should regulate AR-15's, probably don't in fact own an AR-15. So "caring only about their own guns" doesn't point out any sort of hypocrisy. "Extremists" is not the word I wanted to use, but I didn't know a better one. No regulation on any guns at all. Period. I don't know a good name for that take on gun ownership.
  - 0x7E3 5y ago
    His example for comparison was rather distasteful, but you did reinforce his point. It's name calling with the intent to insult. And while many people present valid information and construct good arguments while doing that, casually insulting your opponent, or worse uninvolved bystanders is bad manners. You can just say 'racist', or 'person who relies on outdated ballistics information'. No need to have one derogatory term to lump the two in together and then sling in around casually. People say that 22lr is the 'deadliest caliber' because it is the caliber that has ended the most lives in the United States, that being because it is by far the most common. The original source for that was a study done in ~1970 but there have been others to back it up since. I'm not going to go so far as to say that _no one_ ever has said that .22lr is more lethal than any other caliber, but it is the exact opposite sentiment of "I use a .45 cause they don't make a .46" so it's not likely to be a person from that group saying it.
    - JKCalhoun 5y ago
      Yes, I think I was being distasteful. I apologize.
    - mod 5y ago
      He was referring to a common myth that 22LR will "bounce around" inside the body without exciting, and thereby cause more lethal damage than other calibers. I've read this theory many, many times on gun forums and comment sections.
      - AustinDev 5y ago
        People say that about 22LR? I’ve heard it said about .223 but never 22LR, weird.
- nataz 5y ago
  Whoa there. I think it comes from the cartoon character Elmer fudd, and stands for someone who is part of the traditional sporting/hunting culture as opposed to someone approaching it from a broader and more modern "self defense", 2A, entertainment (video game/movie) influence. Those cultures do overlap, but there is definitely some friction between them at times.
  - JKCalhoun 5y ago
    That's not the way I've heard it used. In the contexts I've seen it you are a Fudd if you believe, for example, that the American public should be allowed to own guns, but not AR-15s, AK-47s.
    - nataz 5y ago
      True, but you have to remember that until relatively recently, the idea of owning a 556/223 AR platform was pretty far out of the mainstream. People who liked guns hunted, and or owned things in calibers that overlapped between hunting and the military (think .308). They had revolvers, or full metal frame pocket pistols for self defense. The standard today would be something like a glock 19 (plastic frame, 19 rounds of hollow point, small size) carried concealed in an appendix holster. Now often with a red dot sight and a rail mounted tactical light. There are dozens and dozens of AR (using the term very broadly) manufacturers out there today, pushing everything from systems designed for suppressed cqb (think short barreled suppressed .300 blackout) to long range precision shooting (ar-10/6.5 cm). These kind of options, and the hobbies/communities they enable, didn't exist at the consumer level even 10 years ago. The inflection point seems to be the sunset of the assault weapons ban, but it took quite a bit of time for this stuff to become mainstream. The old guard supported by a base of hunters and sport shooters is aging out, and not growing anywhere near as fast as this new generation. The needs (and opinions) of someone out on regular elk hunts range pretty far from someone who wants a firearm for self defense.
- bendbro 5y ago
  Lol, I'm going to miss these 2016-2020 outbursts.
dole 5y ago
The 3D printed gun movement is fascinating in itself as far as the potential influence on the gun industry, society and legislation. I feel like there’s no way entities like the ATF (and Justice Dept) will be able to keep up in about 10 years as guns like the FGC-9 evolve and become more ubiquitous.

JKCalhoun 5y ago

Fudds. When I hear that I hear "n*-lover" or some other term meant to exclude anyone that isn't extremist/fanatical.

collegeburner 5y ago
Uhh that's not what it means the way I've ever heard it used, sorry if you got that tho. How I've heard it and use it, it's for 2 groups: 1. People who don't care about stopping gun-grabbers as long as they can keep their .30-30 henry or remington 870 or whatever, because "nobody needs one of them plastic guns, they're for killing people!" 2. People who are generally ignorant/out-of-date/willfully uneducated. The "muh 2 world wars, stopping power, I use a .45 cause they don't make a 46" boomer-tier stuff. The "22 is the deadliest caliber because it tumbles around inside!" people. Edit: yeah, as 'nataz pointed out it's from Elmer Fudd. I'll tell you that most of the racist people I've met in the gun scene are fudds. The ones you'd call "fanatical" don't give a shit who you are as long as you're pro-gun and/or anti-govt.
- JKCalhoun 5y ago
  Your #1 is exactly what I am referring to.
  - collegeburner 5y ago
    Ok then I'll disagree with your implication that anybody who cares about more than old hunting arms is "extremist/fanatical". I have no problem with having a term to refer to people who only care about their rights to own their arms. Also what did you mean by "n*-lover" and how do you think it relates to ppl who want more than hunting guns to remain legal? Tbh that makes it sound like you're flaim-bating.
    - JKCalhoun 5y ago
      There is a dismissiveness from the extremists toward those who own guns but believe in regulating guns. As though if you claim to be one of us you can't also be nuanced and believe the "other side" have merit as well. Bump stocks. I think they should remain illegal. I'm a fudd. Fully automatic, military weapons should probably remain heavily regulated. I'm a fudd. This is what I'm describing. Dick Metcalf as editor of Guns and Ammo magazine suggested in an editorial that maybe some gun regulation is a good thing. He was out after that.
      - collegeburner 5y ago
        Yeah, fair description. Still think your calling us "extremists" is comparable or worse tho. It's more that "one of us" is more "people who think the government has no business regulating guns" than "people who own guns". I disagree, bump stocks are largely a gimmick and automatics are "military weapons" because they've been so limited for the populace. I don't see the problem with "fudd" to describe people who care only about their guns.
        JKCalhoun 5y ago
        Gun owners that think we should regulate AR-15's, probably don't in fact own an AR-15. So "caring only about their own guns" doesn't point out any sort of hypocrisy. "Extremists" is not the word I wanted to use, but I didn't know a better one. No regulation on any guns at all. Period. I don't know a good name for that take on gun ownership.
- 0x7E3 5y ago
  His example for comparison was rather distasteful, but you did reinforce his point. It's name calling with the intent to insult. And while many people present valid information and construct good arguments while doing that, casually insulting your opponent, or worse uninvolved bystanders is bad manners. You can just say 'racist', or 'person who relies on outdated ballistics information'. No need to have one derogatory term to lump the two in together and then sling in around casually. People say that 22lr is the 'deadliest caliber' because it is the caliber that has ended the most lives in the United States, that being because it is by far the most common. The original source for that was a study done in ~1970 but there have been others to back it up since. I'm not going to go so far as to say that _no one_ ever has said that .22lr is more lethal than any other caliber, but it is the exact opposite sentiment of "I use a .45 cause they don't make a .46" so it's not likely to be a person from that group saying it.
  - JKCalhoun 5y ago
    Yes, I think I was being distasteful. I apologize.
  - mod 5y ago
    He was referring to a common myth that 22LR will "bounce around" inside the body without exciting, and thereby cause more lethal damage than other calibers. I've read this theory many, many times on gun forums and comment sections.
    - AustinDev 5y ago
      People say that about 22LR? I’ve heard it said about .223 but never 22LR, weird.
nataz 5y ago
Whoa there. I think it comes from the cartoon character Elmer fudd, and stands for someone who is part of the traditional sporting/hunting culture as opposed to someone approaching it from a broader and more modern "self defense", 2A, entertainment (video game/movie) influence. Those cultures do overlap, but there is definitely some friction between them at times.
- JKCalhoun 5y ago
  That's not the way I've heard it used. In the contexts I've seen it you are a Fudd if you believe, for example, that the American public should be allowed to own guns, but not AR-15s, AK-47s.
  - nataz 5y ago
    True, but you have to remember that until relatively recently, the idea of owning a 556/223 AR platform was pretty far out of the mainstream. People who liked guns hunted, and or owned things in calibers that overlapped between hunting and the military (think .308). They had revolvers, or full metal frame pocket pistols for self defense. The standard today would be something like a glock 19 (plastic frame, 19 rounds of hollow point, small size) carried concealed in an appendix holster. Now often with a red dot sight and a rail mounted tactical light. There are dozens and dozens of AR (using the term very broadly) manufacturers out there today, pushing everything from systems designed for suppressed cqb (think short barreled suppressed .300 blackout) to long range precision shooting (ar-10/6.5 cm). These kind of options, and the hobbies/communities they enable, didn't exist at the consumer level even 10 years ago. The inflection point seems to be the sunset of the assault weapons ban, but it took quite a bit of time for this stuff to become mainstream. The old guard supported by a base of hunters and sport shooters is aging out, and not growing anywhere near as fast as this new generation. The needs (and opinions) of someone out on regular elk hunts range pretty far from someone who wants a firearm for self defense.
bendbro 5y ago
Lol, I'm going to miss these 2016-2020 outbursts.

dole 5y ago

The 3D printed gun movement is fascinating in itself as far as the potential influence on the gun industry, society and legislation. I feel like there’s no way entities like the ATF (and Justice Dept) will be able to keep up in about 10 years as guns like the FGC-9 evolve and become more ubiquitous.