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Do we just disagree that the current situation with respect to car usage/traffic/crashes/pedestrian safety in cities needs to be seriously changed or do you hav

by zeendo 5y ago

Do we just disagree that the current situation with respect to car usage/traffic/crashes/pedestrian safety in cities needs to be seriously changed or do you have some better proposal? Would it really be much of a problem to take a bus to the garage where your car is parked? And even if it is then maybe that's better than the situation we have today?

NovemberWhiskey 5y ago
>with respect to car usage/traffic/crashes/pedestrian safety Well, you see that's fascinating because if you look at crashes and pedestrian safety - as I understand it - Manhattan has fewer crashes and fewer pedestrian/cyclist injuries/deaths than does Brooklyn, Queens or the Bronx. Do you know how many traffic fatalities there were in the NYPD 1st, 5th and 7th precincts so far this year (that's the whole of Lower Manhattan below Houston)? Three. If you want to focus on the areas with the largest safety problems, your focus should not be in Manhattan. If you want to focus on the leading causes of collisions, it's distracted driving; not excess density. It's also not about air quality, because it's being made quite clear that electric cars are just as much of a problem as fossil-fueled powered ones. >Would it really be much of a problem to take a bus to the garage where your car is parked? Yes, in my case that would be a big problem - but actually the onus is on those who want changes to sell them in a sensible way to everyone, including the households in Manhattan (supposedly ~22%; although that was before the surge in purchases last year) that own cars despite the tremendous cost to do so. What we mainly hear is the prescription "ban private car operation in Manhattan", as if that is the outcome itself rather than a means to some actual goal. This despite the fact that nowhere else in the world has anything similar been achieved.
- Wowfunhappy 5y ago
  ...I'm reading that there were 16 fatalities in southern Manhattan so far this year? That's admittedly much lower than I expected, but more than three. Am I reading the data incorrectly? https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/traffic_data/fatalities/traffic-fatalities-pbms.pdf https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/traffic_data/... And that's only the people who died, not all the people who were permanently handicapped. Edit: https://vzv.nyc/ https://vzv.nyc/ is cool. It looks like we are in fact better at keeping people alive than I realized, but cars still lead to an awful lot of serious injuries.
  - NovemberWhiskey 5y ago
    >I'm reading that there were 16 fatalities in southern Manhattan so far this year? That's admittedly much lower than I expected, but more than three. Am I reading the data incorrectly? The reporting unit that you're looking at is the Manhattan South "Patrol Borough"; this includes up to 59th St so it's a much larger chunk of the city. That's coincidentally the zone that is covered by the proposed congestion pricing.

by zeendo 5y ago

NovemberWhiskey 5y ago

>with respect to car usage/traffic/crashes/pedestrian safety Well, you see that's fascinating because if you look at crashes and pedestrian safety - as I understand it - Manhattan has fewer crashes and fewer pedestrian/cyclist injuries/deaths than does Brooklyn, Queens or the Bronx. Do you know how many traffic fatalities there were in the NYPD 1st, 5th and 7th precincts so far this year (that's the whole of Lower Manhattan below Houston)? Three. If you want to focus on the areas with the largest safety problems, your focus should not be in Manhattan. If you want to focus on the leading causes of collisions, it's distracted driving; not excess density. It's also not about air quality, because it's being made quite clear that electric cars are just as much of a problem as fossil-fueled powered ones. >Would it really be much of a problem to take a bus to the garage where your car is parked? Yes, in my case that would be a big problem - but actually the onus is on those who want changes to sell them in a sensible way to everyone, including the households in Manhattan (supposedly ~22%; although that was before the surge in purchases last year) that own cars despite the tremendous cost to do so. What we mainly hear is the prescription "ban private car operation in Manhattan", as if that is the outcome itself rather than a means to some actual goal. This despite the fact that nowhere else in the world has anything similar been achieved.

Wowfunhappy 5y ago
...I'm reading that there were 16 fatalities in southern Manhattan so far this year? That's admittedly much lower than I expected, but more than three. Am I reading the data incorrectly? https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/traffic_data/fatalities/traffic-fatalities-pbms.pdf https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/traffic_data/... And that's only the people who died, not all the people who were permanently handicapped. Edit: https://vzv.nyc/ https://vzv.nyc/ is cool. It looks like we are in fact better at keeping people alive than I realized, but cars still lead to an awful lot of serious injuries.
- NovemberWhiskey 5y ago
  >I'm reading that there were 16 fatalities in southern Manhattan so far this year? That's admittedly much lower than I expected, but more than three. Am I reading the data incorrectly? The reporting unit that you're looking at is the Manhattan South "Patrol Borough"; this includes up to 59th St so it's a much larger chunk of the city. That's coincidentally the zone that is covered by the proposed congestion pricing.