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For instance, the "sources" accessible through those keywords put in a google search query. (Entertaining the question as if my claim was more controversial th

For instance, the "sources" accessible through those keywords put in a google search query. (Entertaining the question as if my claim was more controversial than any other in this thread, that is, as if Barcelona was not infamous as a crime ridden s hole where visitors are asked to practice war zone vigilance.)

vidarh 5y ago
Putting "crime capitals of Europe" into Google gets me multiple lists, only one of which includes Barcelona. The one which includes it places it 26th in Europe, behind a whole lot of cities I've felt totally safe in.
- pvaldes 5y ago
  Feeling safe in the street is one thing, but those ranks miss that the big fat crime will try its best to be invisible and unnoticed. January 2021: "Police in Spain have reported the seizure of 827000 ecstasy pills, 76 Kg of amphetamine, 39.5 kg of crystal methamphetamine, 89 kg of cannabis, and 1.65 kg of cocaine in what they claim to be the biggest drug haul in Europe" https://www.addictionjournal.org/posts/police-seize-largest-haul-of-ecstasy-in-europe https://www.addictionjournal.org/posts/police-seize-largest-... Barcelona still has a huge problem with drugs In this sense, yes, has well earned sadly a place among European crime capitals. Indirect analysis as looking for sewage water biomarkers, place Barcelona among the European cities with a biggest abuse of cocaine, slightly bigger than London. This means that 5 millions of citizens in Barcelona consume more cocaine that 9 millions in London, so they almost double the average dose per capita. Antwerp (half a million) is a disaster doubling the London/Barcelona values in a weekend. They could go to Barcelona to detox. Those are recent values taken from here: https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/html/pods/waste-water-analysis_en https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/html/pods/waste-wa...
  - vidarh 5y ago
    Being "safe on the streets" is what this discussion was about. Drug use is irrelevant to what was being discussed, with user "ResearchCode" claiming that Barcelona is a place where people "are asked to practice war zone vigilance", something they've failed to back up with any kind of sources. With respect to the drug use, I don't buy that measuring use is a valid proxy for measuring abuse or "disasters" - assuming all use is abuse is a severely puritan value judgement. I'd much rather be around an ecstasy or cannabis user than an alcohol user for example.
    - pvaldes 5y ago
      If being safe on the streets is what we are talking, sorry, but we definitely must have a small talk about drugs and cars. Friends don't let their friends drive while high on ecstasy (specially when there are a lot of children riding pink bikes in the street).
      - vidarh 5y ago
        Again, if there are sources to suggest that the streets of Barcelona justifies calling it one of the "crime capitals of Europe", feel free to supply them rather than presenting unsupported hypotheses about how drug users behave there.
        pvaldes 5y ago
        Nah, the streets are 100% safe and this is Arcadia. Forget it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpeQMinhj1M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpeQMinhj1M It feels pretty futuristic to me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8C8fLMoTqE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8C8fLMoTqE And Yeah, drug users are gentlemen and their bad image is undeserved. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3cimtfC9Ag https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3cimtfC9Ag
        vidarh 5y ago
        London have had machete fights, and riots, and lots of drug dealers, yet I have in 21 years of living here never been in a dangerous situation. Neither parts of those sentence proves anything about the safety of London, just like your videos proves nothing. Anecdotes are not data. Try again. I'll note I have no idea if Barcelona is safe or not. It's possible it's a crime-ridden shithole, but nobody in this thread have substantiated that claim with a source, despite the person who originally made the claim suggested it was easy to establish with a search - which turned out to not support their claim at all. It's perfectly possible there are stats that shows that Barcelona is in fact as dangerous as they claimed. But supporting that claim requires actual sources, not random videos.
mrexroad 5y ago
How much time have you spent in Barcelona?
- ResearchCode 5y ago
  Enough not to get gaslighted.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - ThePowerOfFuet 5y ago
    I lived there for eight years until this year, and what you're saying is entirely divorced from reality.
CyanBird 5y ago
> For instance, the "sources" accessible through those keywords put in a google search query. We are on hackernews, here it is part of the etiquette to source claims Please ensure that you do so
ashtonkem 5y ago
I’ve never understood why people sometimes get angry when they’re asked for evidence to back their assertions.

vidarh 5y ago

Putting "crime capitals of Europe" into Google gets me multiple lists, only one of which includes Barcelona. The one which includes it places it 26th in Europe, behind a whole lot of cities I've felt totally safe in.

pvaldes 5y ago
Feeling safe in the street is one thing, but those ranks miss that the big fat crime will try its best to be invisible and unnoticed. January 2021: "Police in Spain have reported the seizure of 827000 ecstasy pills, 76 Kg of amphetamine, 39.5 kg of crystal methamphetamine, 89 kg of cannabis, and 1.65 kg of cocaine in what they claim to be the biggest drug haul in Europe" https://www.addictionjournal.org/posts/police-seize-largest-haul-of-ecstasy-in-europe https://www.addictionjournal.org/posts/police-seize-largest-... Barcelona still has a huge problem with drugs In this sense, yes, has well earned sadly a place among European crime capitals. Indirect analysis as looking for sewage water biomarkers, place Barcelona among the European cities with a biggest abuse of cocaine, slightly bigger than London. This means that 5 millions of citizens in Barcelona consume more cocaine that 9 millions in London, so they almost double the average dose per capita. Antwerp (half a million) is a disaster doubling the London/Barcelona values in a weekend. They could go to Barcelona to detox. Those are recent values taken from here: https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/html/pods/waste-water-analysis_en https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/html/pods/waste-wa...
- vidarh 5y ago
  Being "safe on the streets" is what this discussion was about. Drug use is irrelevant to what was being discussed, with user "ResearchCode" claiming that Barcelona is a place where people "are asked to practice war zone vigilance", something they've failed to back up with any kind of sources. With respect to the drug use, I don't buy that measuring use is a valid proxy for measuring abuse or "disasters" - assuming all use is abuse is a severely puritan value judgement. I'd much rather be around an ecstasy or cannabis user than an alcohol user for example.
  - pvaldes 5y ago
    If being safe on the streets is what we are talking, sorry, but we definitely must have a small talk about drugs and cars. Friends don't let their friends drive while high on ecstasy (specially when there are a lot of children riding pink bikes in the street).
    - vidarh 5y ago
      Again, if there are sources to suggest that the streets of Barcelona justifies calling it one of the "crime capitals of Europe", feel free to supply them rather than presenting unsupported hypotheses about how drug users behave there.
      - pvaldes 5y ago
        Nah, the streets are 100% safe and this is Arcadia. Forget it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpeQMinhj1M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpeQMinhj1M It feels pretty futuristic to me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8C8fLMoTqE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8C8fLMoTqE And Yeah, drug users are gentlemen and their bad image is undeserved. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3cimtfC9Ag https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3cimtfC9Ag
        vidarh 5y ago
        London have had machete fights, and riots, and lots of drug dealers, yet I have in 21 years of living here never been in a dangerous situation. Neither parts of those sentence proves anything about the safety of London, just like your videos proves nothing. Anecdotes are not data. Try again. I'll note I have no idea if Barcelona is safe or not. It's possible it's a crime-ridden shithole, but nobody in this thread have substantiated that claim with a source, despite the person who originally made the claim suggested it was easy to establish with a search - which turned out to not support their claim at all. It's perfectly possible there are stats that shows that Barcelona is in fact as dangerous as they claimed. But supporting that claim requires actual sources, not random videos.

mrexroad 5y ago

How much time have you spent in Barcelona?

ResearchCode 5y ago
Enough not to get gaslighted.
- deleted 5y ago
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- ThePowerOfFuet 5y ago
  I lived there for eight years until this year, and what you're saying is entirely divorced from reality.

CyanBird 5y ago

> For instance, the "sources" accessible through those keywords put in a google search query. We are on hackernews, here it is part of the etiquette to source claims Please ensure that you do so

ashtonkem 5y ago

I’ve never understood why people sometimes get angry when they’re asked for evidence to back their assertions.