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This is a terribly dishonest take. There was no “unrelated iOS business dispute”, Epic was simply using their keys to sign software that they had agreed not to

This is a terribly dishonest take. There was no “unrelated iOS business dispute”, Epic was simply using their keys to sign software that they had agreed not to sign. Epic made it clear that they can not be trusted with signing keys, you can’t claim that this is unrelated. Epic could have sued Apple and proceeded with their business dispute without abusing their signing keys, but instead they made a calculated decision to abuse their trusted position for a PR stunt. Even if you fully agree with the position Epic is pushing in their lawsuit, these facts remain the same.

cma 5y ago
> Epic was simply using their keys to sign software that they had agreed not to sign. Epic never abused their desktop signing keys, which are stated to be for security only, what are you talking about? Apple did more than that too, they also briefly pulled their Apple logins, which they had surprise mandated on everyone who allowed third party logins. They went full mask off.
- ryanlol 5y ago
  It is downright pathetic of you to attempt to differentiate between desktop and mobile signing keys. Epic made it clear that they can’t be trusted with any kind of signing keys.
  - cma 5y ago
    Apple made a distinction for desktop that the keys there were to be for security only. The iOS stuff was a payment/business dispute, not security related.
    - ryanlol 5y ago
      This is completely ridiculous. Epic agreed to not sign certain software, but they did. Epic promised not to do certain things, but they decided to break that promise. You can call that a “business dispute”, but that doesn’t portray Epic as any less untrustworthy. Epic obviously can’t be trusted to not abuse their signing keys. Why should Apple allow a known untrustworthy party to sign OS X apps? Honestly, the idea that you should somehow separate these things is probably the stupidest thing I’ve heard during all of my years on HN.
      - cma 5y ago
        You are talking about unrelated mobile business dispute stuff. Desktop key signing was for security only. Mobile payment things challenging a monopoly force are totally unrelated. Apple even promised: security only for keys on desktop, none of their iOS control games.
        ryanlol 5y ago
        I am talking about abuse of signing keys by Epic, not about “mobile payment things challening a monopoly force”. Your PR spin does not change the important facts. Why epic did what they did is completely irrelevant.

cma 5y ago

> Epic was simply using their keys to sign software that they had agreed not to sign. Epic never abused their desktop signing keys, which are stated to be for security only, what are you talking about? Apple did more than that too, they also briefly pulled their Apple logins, which they had surprise mandated on everyone who allowed third party logins. They went full mask off.

ryanlol 5y ago
It is downright pathetic of you to attempt to differentiate between desktop and mobile signing keys. Epic made it clear that they can’t be trusted with any kind of signing keys.
- cma 5y ago
  Apple made a distinction for desktop that the keys there were to be for security only. The iOS stuff was a payment/business dispute, not security related.
  - ryanlol 5y ago
    This is completely ridiculous. Epic agreed to not sign certain software, but they did. Epic promised not to do certain things, but they decided to break that promise. You can call that a “business dispute”, but that doesn’t portray Epic as any less untrustworthy. Epic obviously can’t be trusted to not abuse their signing keys. Why should Apple allow a known untrustworthy party to sign OS X apps? Honestly, the idea that you should somehow separate these things is probably the stupidest thing I’ve heard during all of my years on HN.
    - cma 5y ago
      You are talking about unrelated mobile business dispute stuff. Desktop key signing was for security only. Mobile payment things challenging a monopoly force are totally unrelated. Apple even promised: security only for keys on desktop, none of their iOS control games.
      - ryanlol 5y ago
        I am talking about abuse of signing keys by Epic, not about “mobile payment things challening a monopoly force”. Your PR spin does not change the important facts. Why epic did what they did is completely irrelevant.