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Sounds like terrible design if that's necessary. Also absurd that the owner can't re-sign hardware given that they should have a master key.

throwaway2048 5y ago
Its not necessary, its just a smokescreen apple can use to shut out third party repairs.
criddell 5y ago
All designs are trade-offs. The number of people that want to swap a logic board is pretty tiny. It would probably be pretty hard to justify the extra expanse based on customer benefit. Apple seems to know what they are doing considering how happy their customers are.
- guerrilla 5y ago
  > The number of people that want to swap a logic board is pretty tiny. You misunderstand the implications of the video. It means you can't replace most of the parts. Swapping the mainboard is the same thing as swapping all the parts at the same time. What this means is that this phone is not repairable. Everyone wants to be able repair their phones. The design is foolish from a security and ownership standpoint if it iss as you say it is and, yeah, the trade off to that is that you can't repair it, which as the video accuses may be the primary purpose of using the foolish design.
  - criddell 5y ago
    > Everyone wants to be able repair their phones. Sure, as long as they don't give up any security, as long as the price doesn't change, as long as the phone doesn't get thicker, etc... > may be the primary purpose of using the foolish design If Apple is so terrible at making phones, I expect their competitors to make them irrelevant any day now.
    - guerrilla 5y ago
      That they could be significantly better does not mean that they are terrible. It's not necessary to sacrifice security, as I explained earlier.
      - mmu_man 5y ago
        Indeed, this level of security is mostly needed for a very small percent of the user base, those concerned with being spyed upon. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be address, but then repairability concerns many more people directly (and their pocket). There were other ways to achieve the same goal if it was solely for privacy.
        criddell 5y ago
        For the people who need that security, it's often over something that could get them physically harmed or even killed. For example, there are a lot of places where simply being part of a homosexual relationship could mean death if discovered. I don't mind paying a little bit more if it means people living under certain regimes have a better chance at survival.
        CogitoCogito 5y ago
        People in this thread have repeatedly explained how the data could be wiped when regenerating the security keys. So Apple isn’t doing anything here but controlling everything to effectively lock out third party repairs. But sure if they really want to remove all competition for security reasons, they could certainly show good faith by doing all repairs entirely at cost thereby removing any profit motive.

throwaway2048 5y ago

Its not necessary, its just a smokescreen apple can use to shut out third party repairs.

criddell 5y ago

All designs are trade-offs. The number of people that want to swap a logic board is pretty tiny. It would probably be pretty hard to justify the extra expanse based on customer benefit. Apple seems to know what they are doing considering how happy their customers are.

guerrilla 5y ago
> The number of people that want to swap a logic board is pretty tiny. You misunderstand the implications of the video. It means you can't replace most of the parts. Swapping the mainboard is the same thing as swapping all the parts at the same time. What this means is that this phone is not repairable. Everyone wants to be able repair their phones. The design is foolish from a security and ownership standpoint if it iss as you say it is and, yeah, the trade off to that is that you can't repair it, which as the video accuses may be the primary purpose of using the foolish design.
- criddell 5y ago
  > Everyone wants to be able repair their phones. Sure, as long as they don't give up any security, as long as the price doesn't change, as long as the phone doesn't get thicker, etc... > may be the primary purpose of using the foolish design If Apple is so terrible at making phones, I expect their competitors to make them irrelevant any day now.
  - guerrilla 5y ago
    That they could be significantly better does not mean that they are terrible. It's not necessary to sacrifice security, as I explained earlier.
    - mmu_man 5y ago
      Indeed, this level of security is mostly needed for a very small percent of the user base, those concerned with being spyed upon. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be address, but then repairability concerns many more people directly (and their pocket). There were other ways to achieve the same goal if it was solely for privacy.
      - criddell 5y ago
        For the people who need that security, it's often over something that could get them physically harmed or even killed. For example, there are a lot of places where simply being part of a homosexual relationship could mean death if discovered. I don't mind paying a little bit more if it means people living under certain regimes have a better chance at survival.
        CogitoCogito 5y ago
        People in this thread have repeatedly explained how the data could be wiped when regenerating the security keys. So Apple isn’t doing anything here but controlling everything to effectively lock out third party repairs. But sure if they really want to remove all competition for security reasons, they could certainly show good faith by doing all repairs entirely at cost thereby removing any profit motive.