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You can already bring scissors on a plane with 4 inch blades. That's two knives.

by batch12 5y ago

nephanth 5y ago
Can you? I've had to leave my scissors at security at least once. It was in France though
- batch12 5y ago
  Was speaking for the US, sorry. https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/items/scissors https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/... > If packed in carry-on, they must be less than 4 inches from the pivot point
reayn 5y ago
A scissor can't really compare to a proper forged and heat treated knife, and for the purpose of using a seemingly everyday object for a more malicious purpose there are better things imo.
- deleted 5y ago
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- batch12 5y ago
  Neither does a box-cutter compare to a properly forged and heat-treated knife. But for fun, forged, Damascus steel scissors are a thing.
- falcolas 5y ago
  Scissors are absolutely heat treated, and the best will have razor sharp edges. Many brands also forge them.
cogman10 5y ago
Yeah, airport security is nothing but security theater. I wish we could eliminate it.
- batch12 5y ago
  But then who could I get to look at me naked while I do the YMCA?
- skeeter2020 5y ago
  There's a real need for security though, so while I would love to make it better (... by removing the theatre elements) that doesn't mean no security. We have lots of things that we know work but lack various wills to do so, ranging from the easy like "don't let anyone other than ticketed travellers anywhere near the terminal" to the crazy-sounding like "make flying 10x or 100x time more expensive".
  - fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago
    > There's a real need for security though I suspect this is overstated: preventing access to the cockpit from the passenger cabin solves a lot of the issues here: if a hijacker can’t use the plane as a cruise missile, the need for security is about equivalent to attacks on metros or passenger trains.
  - cogman10 5y ago
    > There's a real need for security though. Why? Do we need this level of security at a bus station or a train station? No? Why? Because planes can be flown into things? Lock the cabin door. Because there's lots of people on planes? Well, there's lots of people on trains, buses, or in random offices and hotels. Why are the plane people special? What about giant conventions or events? We have all this security because of 9/11, but only 1 security measure (locking cabin doors) was needed to stop the next 9/11.
- nephanth 5y ago
  Theater can act as a deterrent though
  - cogman10 5y ago
    Only so long as it isn't known to be theater. Consider, for example, the fact that there is now "pre-clearance". Or the fact that they no longer make people take off their shoes. Is there not still a risk of a shoe bomber? Couldn't a terrorist get on the pre-clearance list?

You can already bring scissors on a plane with 4 inch blades. That's two knives.

nephanth 5y ago

Can you? I've had to leave my scissors at security at least once. It was in France though

batch12 5y ago
Was speaking for the US, sorry. https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/items/scissors https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/... > If packed in carry-on, they must be less than 4 inches from the pivot point

reayn 5y ago

A scissor can't really compare to a proper forged and heat treated knife, and for the purpose of using a seemingly everyday object for a more malicious purpose there are better things imo.

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batch12 5y ago
Neither does a box-cutter compare to a properly forged and heat-treated knife. But for fun, forged, Damascus steel scissors are a thing.
falcolas 5y ago
Scissors are absolutely heat treated, and the best will have razor sharp edges. Many brands also forge them.

cogman10 5y ago

Yeah, airport security is nothing but security theater. I wish we could eliminate it.

batch12 5y ago
But then who could I get to look at me naked while I do the YMCA?
skeeter2020 5y ago
There's a real need for security though, so while I would love to make it better (... by removing the theatre elements) that doesn't mean no security. We have lots of things that we know work but lack various wills to do so, ranging from the easy like "don't let anyone other than ticketed travellers anywhere near the terminal" to the crazy-sounding like "make flying 10x or 100x time more expensive".
- fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago
  > There's a real need for security though I suspect this is overstated: preventing access to the cockpit from the passenger cabin solves a lot of the issues here: if a hijacker can’t use the plane as a cruise missile, the need for security is about equivalent to attacks on metros or passenger trains.
- cogman10 5y ago
  > There's a real need for security though. Why? Do we need this level of security at a bus station or a train station? No? Why? Because planes can be flown into things? Lock the cabin door. Because there's lots of people on planes? Well, there's lots of people on trains, buses, or in random offices and hotels. Why are the plane people special? What about giant conventions or events? We have all this security because of 9/11, but only 1 security measure (locking cabin doors) was needed to stop the next 9/11.
nephanth 5y ago
Theater can act as a deterrent though
- cogman10 5y ago
  Only so long as it isn't known to be theater. Consider, for example, the fact that there is now "pre-clearance". Or the fact that they no longer make people take off their shoes. Is there not still a risk of a shoe bomber? Couldn't a terrorist get on the pre-clearance list?