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It is the same in London. The dedicated bike lanes contain legions of fast moving cyclists. The difference between cars is that cyclists - as a general rule -
by mattlondon 5y ago
It is the same in London. The dedicated bike lanes contain legions of fast moving cyclists.
The difference between cars is that cyclists - as a general rule - totally ignore any rules. Pedestrian crossing? Pah! Rules are for others! Instead scream obscenities at the pedestrian as you weave past and around them (at <10cm distance) for having the temerity of slowing you down when they are legitimately crossing the cycle path. A cyclist was recently prosecuted in London for killing a pedestrian when they drove into them at high speed after shouting at them to get out of the way failed to work... There must be loads of other non-fatal collisions that don't make the news
TL;Dr - During in rush hour it can be hard to cross the cycle lanes, but roads are fine. Cars generally do not try to "go around you" at very close distance when you are a pedestrian, but cyclists do.
- _Wintermute 5y agoYour anecdote goes against pretty much every study that shows motorists break the rules far more commonly than cyclists - in addition to the fact they kill multiple people every day.
- McP 5y agoWhich studies? You say "the rules" - I suspect it varies a lot by rule. Speeding? Yep, drivers are going to slip above the limit unless they're very careful, whereas you have to be a very capable athlete to do that as a cyclist. Running a red light or going on the pavement? I'm pretty sure cyclists break these far more often.
- _Wintermute 5y agoI don't understand your point, of course different road users break different rules, they have different rules. You can't speed on a bicycle as there's no requirement for a speedometer. Motorists are less likely to be fined for driving without lights are they're always present and largely automatic, you can't illegally park your bicycle on the pavement in London as it doesn't apply. https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2019/05/10/cyclists-break-far-fewer-road-rules-than-motorists-finds-new-video-study/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2019/05/10/cyclists... https://whyy.org/articles/cyclists-violate-traffic-law-no-more-than-drivers-new-data-shows/ https://whyy.org/articles/cyclists-violate-traffic-law-no-mo...
- McP 5y agoThanks for the links. My point was that studies wouldn't invalidate mattlondon's observation that cyclists more often break laws that affect pedestrians. The studies you referenced do seem refute his claim "cyclists - as a general rule - totally ignore any rules" - presumably the non-aggressive majority aren't catching his attention.