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All media outlets are, only the degree of audacity varies.

by hh3k0 5y ago

systemvoltage 5y ago
https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-ratings https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-ratings CNN is especially eggregious. NYTimes should also be on the left column which is reflected in the votes "Somewhat disagree" with the current characterization as Center-Left (scroll down). Edit: I am just pointing out a free publicly available dataset of what the population thinks of the media. Make what you will, don't shoot me.
- MattRix 5y ago
  There is nothing necessarily wrong with bias toward a specific side, unless you make the flawed assumption that the truth must be in the center.
  - mensetmanusman 5y ago
    Quid est veritas? Politics is preference, talks of truth are usually a pretense to strengthen a reason for a given preference.
  - iopq 5y ago
    How about no bias towards any side? I know, it's never happened, but what if?
    - hirundo 5y ago
      You can't interpret any fact without an internal model of how the universe works. That model is a "side" and compared to any other model, has a difference called "bias". There is presumably one true model that matches reality best. You could call that "unbiased", but since nobody can reliably identify it, we're stuck with bias.
      - iopq 5y ago
        That's all very nice and all, but there's "bias from worldview" and then there's CNN
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - natch 5y ago
    The truth is scattered around all points of the spectrum, left, right, center, and everywhere in between. The flawed assumption is thinking otherwise. In such a world it’s still wrong (non-optimal) to try to manipulate the news to make it seem all truth is on just one side.
- mcintyre1994 5y ago
  That agree/disagree seems to be missing an opportunity, because you don't know what the disagrees think it should be instead - despite collecting that data when you click disagree. So it could be that people actually think they're more in the middle or even right than further left. Unless I'm missing something? Also seems to be extremely easy to game at first glance.
  - systemvoltage 5y ago
    I see what you mean. When you vote, it follows up asking the user to also specify the correct button on the spectrum. But, your observation is correct, we don't know whether people disagree on it being left or center. This one is easy though :-).
    - mcintyre1994 5y ago
      I just noticed that and edited my comment before noticing your reply. It seems really odd that they don't show that distribution, it seems to be by far the most interesting data they're collecting there.
- varelse 5y ago
  As opposed to completely reasonable utterly sensible sources like One America Network News, Newsmax, and Russian Television?
  - systemvoltage 5y ago
    Strange comment. Seems like you lashed out because you think I am praising those networks? Those are all terrible sources of news. What if I told you that you can criticize one while also criticizing the other? It is liberating.
    - amcoastal 5y ago
      Implying CNN is as disreputable as the other sites mentioned is ridiculous and you know it.
      - rndgermandude 5y ago
        CNN is terrible in my opinion. OAN and Newsmax and RT are more terrible, a lot more terrible. But that doesn't make CNN any less terrible on it's own... we're not grading on a curve here.
      - systemvoltage 5y ago
        I agree with you there, that wasn't my intention. I was saying CNN is especially "eggregious" when it comes to Left media. Comparing with all other news sources from the left, I trust CNN the least. If you say far-right media is completely bananas, you would be correct. That should not preclude you from making statements about others.
        varelse 5y ago
        What if I told you I don't watch any of these 24/7 news channels because I think they are all garbage that share an agenda of making you very afraid and glued to your chair? Just last night my Biden NIMBY neighbors went up my street to warn us all of the imminent danger of the atmospheric river that is about to destroy the neighborhood (a suburb nowhere near any sort of flood zone). I try to get my news from online and print sources ranging from slightly left of center to slightly right of center. It is becoming increasingly difficult to find slightly right of center sources of information because that's just not profitable anymore. What is egregious to me is that all the curated news is now hiding behind paywalls but the sensationalist crap spanning the entire political spectrum is as free as the polluted air and the tainted water. Which is the way we all want it, well we get it etc.

All media outlets are, only the degree of audacity varies.

by hh3k0 5y ago

All media outlets are, only the degree of audacity varies.

https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-ratings https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-ratings CNN is especially eggregious. NYTimes should also be on the left column which is reflected in the votes "Somewhat disagree" with the current characterization as Center-Left (scroll down). Edit: I am just pointing out a free publicly available dataset of what the population thinks of the media. Make what you will, don't shoot me.

MattRix 5y ago
There is nothing necessarily wrong with bias toward a specific side, unless you make the flawed assumption that the truth must be in the center.
- mensetmanusman 5y ago
  Quid est veritas? Politics is preference, talks of truth are usually a pretense to strengthen a reason for a given preference.
- iopq 5y ago
  How about no bias towards any side? I know, it's never happened, but what if?
  - hirundo 5y ago
    You can't interpret any fact without an internal model of how the universe works. That model is a "side" and compared to any other model, has a difference called "bias". There is presumably one true model that matches reality best. You could call that "unbiased", but since nobody can reliably identify it, we're stuck with bias.
    - iopq 5y ago
      That's all very nice and all, but there's "bias from worldview" and then there's CNN
- deleted 5y ago
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- natch 5y ago
  The truth is scattered around all points of the spectrum, left, right, center, and everywhere in between. The flawed assumption is thinking otherwise. In such a world it’s still wrong (non-optimal) to try to manipulate the news to make it seem all truth is on just one side.
mcintyre1994 5y ago
That agree/disagree seems to be missing an opportunity, because you don't know what the disagrees think it should be instead - despite collecting that data when you click disagree. So it could be that people actually think they're more in the middle or even right than further left. Unless I'm missing something? Also seems to be extremely easy to game at first glance.
- systemvoltage 5y ago
  I see what you mean. When you vote, it follows up asking the user to also specify the correct button on the spectrum. But, your observation is correct, we don't know whether people disagree on it being left or center. This one is easy though :-).
  - mcintyre1994 5y ago
    I just noticed that and edited my comment before noticing your reply. It seems really odd that they don't show that distribution, it seems to be by far the most interesting data they're collecting there.
varelse 5y ago
As opposed to completely reasonable utterly sensible sources like One America Network News, Newsmax, and Russian Television?
- systemvoltage 5y ago
  Strange comment. Seems like you lashed out because you think I am praising those networks? Those are all terrible sources of news. What if I told you that you can criticize one while also criticizing the other? It is liberating.
  - amcoastal 5y ago
    Implying CNN is as disreputable as the other sites mentioned is ridiculous and you know it.
    - rndgermandude 5y ago
      CNN is terrible in my opinion. OAN and Newsmax and RT are more terrible, a lot more terrible. But that doesn't make CNN any less terrible on it's own... we're not grading on a curve here.
    - systemvoltage 5y ago
      I agree with you there, that wasn't my intention. I was saying CNN is especially "eggregious" when it comes to Left media. Comparing with all other news sources from the left, I trust CNN the least. If you say far-right media is completely bananas, you would be correct. That should not preclude you from making statements about others.
      - varelse 5y ago
        What if I told you I don't watch any of these 24/7 news channels because I think they are all garbage that share an agenda of making you very afraid and glued to your chair? Just last night my Biden NIMBY neighbors went up my street to warn us all of the imminent danger of the atmospheric river that is about to destroy the neighborhood (a suburb nowhere near any sort of flood zone). I try to get my news from online and print sources ranging from slightly left of center to slightly right of center. It is becoming increasingly difficult to find slightly right of center sources of information because that's just not profitable anymore. What is egregious to me is that all the curated news is now hiding behind paywalls but the sensationalist crap spanning the entire political spectrum is as free as the polluted air and the tainted water. Which is the way we all want it, well we get it etc.