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Seemingly low I’d think. On the bike bus they’ve got hundreds of kids and parents around them and a police escort, so it’s not a normal biking situation. Plus p

by soared 5y ago

Seemingly low I’d think. On the bike bus they’ve got hundreds of kids and parents around them and a police escort, so it’s not a normal biking situation. Plus parents likely are teaching kids bike safety. Biking in this bus formation and biking normally are separate enough that it doesn’t seem to be a concern. IMO that’s like asking if kids don’t where seat belts on a normal bus, are they then at risk of not wearing seat belts in normal cars?

daneel_w 5y ago
"Biking in this bus formation and biking normally are separate enough that it doesn’t seem to be a concern. IMO that’s like asking if kids don’t where seat belts on a normal bus, are they then at risk of not wearing seat belts in normal cars?" I don't think you put much thought into your reasoning. You're conveniently forgetting that people have a knack for developing bad habits, and children have a knack for picking up everything their parents do and cementing it.
- enriquto 5y ago
  But cycling in the middle of your lane is a good habit. It is explicitly recommended! The bicibus may thus help people to do it and reclaim the road.
  - daneel_w 5y ago
    I'm all for reclaiming and equally sharing the roads that all of us paid for, but it can't be done by biking recklessly in the middle of car traffic. It has to achieved politically.
    - enriquto 5y ago
      There's nothing reckless in cycling in traffic. If anything, some car drivers can be reckless by driving dangerously close to cyclists. Cycling on the streets is a right that we already have and that cyclists already paid for. The only thing that remains to be achieved is that a vocal minority of motorists accept this fact.
  - wott 5y ago
    It is forbidden in my country: we must stick to the right side of our lane. And I suspect it is the same in most countries. We were granted a notable exception, which allows us to keep a distance with parked cards in areas where speed limit is 50km/h or less.
- soared 5y ago
  My opinion was that habits for bike bus trips wouldn’t transfer to normal biking because the context of the activities are so different.
  - daneel_w 5y ago
    Yes, context separation definitely sounds like something children are prone to... Have you ever met children?

by soared 5y ago

daneel_w 5y ago

"Biking in this bus formation and biking normally are separate enough that it doesn’t seem to be a concern. IMO that’s like asking if kids don’t where seat belts on a normal bus, are they then at risk of not wearing seat belts in normal cars?" I don't think you put much thought into your reasoning. You're conveniently forgetting that people have a knack for developing bad habits, and children have a knack for picking up everything their parents do and cementing it.

enriquto 5y ago
But cycling in the middle of your lane is a good habit. It is explicitly recommended! The bicibus may thus help people to do it and reclaim the road.
- daneel_w 5y ago
  I'm all for reclaiming and equally sharing the roads that all of us paid for, but it can't be done by biking recklessly in the middle of car traffic. It has to achieved politically.
  - enriquto 5y ago
    There's nothing reckless in cycling in traffic. If anything, some car drivers can be reckless by driving dangerously close to cyclists. Cycling on the streets is a right that we already have and that cyclists already paid for. The only thing that remains to be achieved is that a vocal minority of motorists accept this fact.
- wott 5y ago
  It is forbidden in my country: we must stick to the right side of our lane. And I suspect it is the same in most countries. We were granted a notable exception, which allows us to keep a distance with parked cards in areas where speed limit is 50km/h or less.
soared 5y ago
My opinion was that habits for bike bus trips wouldn’t transfer to normal biking because the context of the activities are so different.
- daneel_w 5y ago
  Yes, context separation definitely sounds like something children are prone to... Have you ever met children?