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I've been there and don't remember that. But I did hear this complaint about other cities and it always struck me as odd. People have no issues standing on the
by locallost 5y ago
I've been there and don't remember that. But I did hear this complaint about other cities and it always struck me as odd. People have no issues standing on the sidewalk as cars whiz around them and they feel safe. A bike going very fast in its own lane next to you is most of the time slower than a car and about 100 times lighter. And thus at least so much less dangerous. People have a right to feel whatever they want, but the numbers show it's a lot safer to be a pedestrian in a bike friendly city than a car friendly city.
- civilized 5y agoI think the curb makes a big difference.
- Kye 5y agoIn perception, maybe. A curb doesn't slow a car down enough to not end your life, and it's much easier to do even for a driver trying to stay in their lane.
- civilized 5y agoI disagree. Tactile barriers like curbs and even rumble strips provide real security because they are such effective signals to both sides. Pedestrians would be much more afraid if cars only had to stay in painted lines and people had to walk right beside them.
- locallost 5y agoAt this point it's no longer particularly newsworthy to write a car lost control and leveled three people on a bus stop. It happens all the time, it even happened on the bus stop I frequently used 20 years ago. And bike lanes are already segregated with at least paint so that's already a signal. People just need to get used to it, which is hard initially when all you know is cars and walking.
- greggman3 5y agoDrivers intentionally cross plainted lines they are not supposed to cross all the time. Drivers rarely cross curbs intensionally. SF for example is full of solid white lines. The law says solid white lines are supposed to be treated the same as concrete barriers. No crossing period. Yet people cross them all the time with impunity. If they were actually curbs people would only rarely cross them accidentally
- lozenge 5y agoIt's easy to stay on the right side of a curb as a pedestrian, compared to looking for floor markings, traffic signs etc. As a cyclist, it's easy and essential to stay on the right side. Accidentally not noticing the curb will result in a crash or near one.
- Someone 5y agoModern kerbs are sloped. Accidentally not noticing the kerb will not make you crash. (See the picture about ⅓ down on https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2016/02/23/goes-cycling-city-of-the-netherlands/ https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2016/02/23/goes-cycling-c...) Research shows sloped or even leveled kerbs don’t seem to lead to problems (https://journals.open.tudelft.nl/ejtir/article/view/3254 https://journals.open.tudelft.nl/ejtir/article/view/3254)
- locallost 5y agoI think it's more that we grew up with cars and accepted the danger. The same way we are no longer scrubbing our hands as we did early in the pandemic.
- jimmaswell 5y agoSadly it seems like a sizable amount of the population plans to keep up the "temporary" measures forever. I can only assume it's tribally motivated at this point where it's simply not rational anymore for vaccinated people who account for <1% of deaths to go around in space suits staying six feet away from everyone and continuing to go overboard with sanitization. I predict they'll still be doing this in five years and still try to shame the rest of us who moved on.
- bane 5y agoFor me it's having been hit several times by cyclists on shared paths, and never having been hit by a car. (well, I was once hit by a car, but I was on a bike so....)
- ramraj07 5y agoUnless you're doing road work without signs that sounds like too many times to be hit by moving things for a lifetime.