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Bullshit meter? It seems to me this is yet another validation that Google is an ad sales company hell bent on preventing competition, controlling the market an

Bullshit meter? It seems to me this is yet another validation that Google is an ad sales company hell bent on preventing competition, controlling the market and lying to end users and integrators. All of these pieces are adding up - what was conjecture is finally being validated and I, personally, believe that Google is not in it for the good of the customer, but are only in it for a profit. Death to Google by thousands of cuts like this? Game on. I've said it before, sales organizations only base performance on profit. It is the toxin that defines all of this misbehaviour. Nobody "thinks" they're doing anything wrong because it's talked about as benefiting the shareholder. Google isn't immune to this.

magicalist 5y ago
> It seems to me this is yet another validation That's just what I mean. There's a tiny amount of validation and a lot of rhetoric. It would be preferable to be able to see the actual sources they're quoting from.
- unknownOrigin 5y ago
  It would be preferable if people paid by Google wouldn't astroturf this site every time Google is caught doing something dirty.
  - magicalist 5y ago
    Nope, but also please don't try to shut down conversation this way.
  - kylevedder 5y ago
    That's a pretty bad faith reply. I'm not paid by Google to astroturf (feel free to look at my account) and I agree with magicalist: I want to see primary sources before drawing any significant conclusions.
  - dang 5y ago
    You can't attack others like this here. We ban accounts that post flamewar comments, such as this one and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28733439 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28733439. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it. I appreciate and share your desire to protect the integrity of the site but we need to do it in a way that doesn't do even more damage.
- windexh8er 5y ago
  Just because the floodgates haven't opened with all of the insight you may want doesn't mean it's not valid - re: "bullshit meter". Google has an army of the best in legal and part of their play is limiting this information from ever being seen. I'm curious, what would be enough validation to pass your sniff test? And are you saying you think this is being overblown?
  - magicalist 5y ago
    > I'm curious, what would be enough validation to pass your sniff test? From my first post: > but this would be a lot more convincing with the source emails entered into the record :)
    - thereddaikon 5y ago
      That's what discovery is for. You don't usually see evidence like that in the initial filings.
hoffs 5y ago
Validation? What else you want validated as I can whip up a doc with some claims about things without source/proof too.

magicalist 5y ago

> It seems to me this is yet another validation That's just what I mean. There's a tiny amount of validation and a lot of rhetoric. It would be preferable to be able to see the actual sources they're quoting from.

unknownOrigin 5y ago
It would be preferable if people paid by Google wouldn't astroturf this site every time Google is caught doing something dirty.
- magicalist 5y ago
  Nope, but also please don't try to shut down conversation this way.
- kylevedder 5y ago
  That's a pretty bad faith reply. I'm not paid by Google to astroturf (feel free to look at my account) and I agree with magicalist: I want to see primary sources before drawing any significant conclusions.
- dang 5y ago
  You can't attack others like this here. We ban accounts that post flamewar comments, such as this one and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28733439 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28733439. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it. I appreciate and share your desire to protect the integrity of the site but we need to do it in a way that doesn't do even more damage.
windexh8er 5y ago
Just because the floodgates haven't opened with all of the insight you may want doesn't mean it's not valid - re: "bullshit meter". Google has an army of the best in legal and part of their play is limiting this information from ever being seen. I'm curious, what would be enough validation to pass your sniff test? And are you saying you think this is being overblown?
- magicalist 5y ago
  > I'm curious, what would be enough validation to pass your sniff test? From my first post: > but this would be a lot more convincing with the source emails entered into the record :)
  - thereddaikon 5y ago
    That's what discovery is for. You don't usually see evidence like that in the initial filings.

hoffs 5y ago

Validation? What else you want validated as I can whip up a doc with some claims about things without source/proof too.