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And what are the implications? Is Google analyzing uploads to Google Drive to serve you targeted ads? That would be a big breach in trust.

by oezi 5y ago

matheusmoreira 5y ago
> Is Google analyzing uploads to Google Drive to serve you targeted ads? Is there any reason to believe they're not doing that? It's already a known fact that they scan files for malware and other illegal files such as CSAM. WhatsApp backup contents are a gold mine of personal information.
- jvolkman 5y ago
  Well, they explicitly say so in their privacy policy. > We don’t show you personalized ads based on your content from Drive, Gmail, or Photos.
  - teflodollar 5y ago
    Yes, but that wording carefully evades explicitly saying they don’t scan content in the service of ads. For example they still could use your drive content to enrich how they target to other people who have similar profiles.
RNCTX 5y ago
> and what are the implications? Remember when Google was working on the DoD’s autonomous murder drone project? Isn’t WA the predominant means of text communication for people who travel abroad regularly?
- Jensson 5y ago
  > Remember when Google was working on the DoD’s autonomous murder drone project? They did just a demo, Amazon and Microsoft are the biggest contractors in that space. News media loves to shit on Google in these scenarios but most of it is just Google trying to take a pie of markets others are already in. So all these articles just amounts to Google becoming as evil as the other tech giants. For example, we know Microsoft takes on these DoD AI projects. Maybe the VSCode telemetry is used to help them make murder drones? We also know Microsoft collaborates with CCP to operate its bing search in China. Maybe they hand over the VSCode telemetry to CCP? People don't ask those questions about Microsoft, so why ask them about Google?
  - RNCTX 5y ago
    Did you miss the early 2000s when we were all on Slashdot which headed every Microsoft story with Bill Gates in a Borg costume? Of course people accuse Microsoft, we've been accusing Microsoft since before Google existed. If you did miss that time because it's outside of your time in the tech world, the difference here is that Microsoft never claimed to be anything but a B2B software dealer with a passing fascination with extending its monopoly to the consumer markets. It tried cable TV boxes, phones, and all sorts of other hare brained ideas but the Xbox was the only one that really stuck. Google PR image'd itself as the anti-Microsoft. No feature creep, just a plain white page that showed you what you wanted to find. Features in the core search product were subtle and generally high on usefulness and low on intrusiveness. Even the Google ad business was marketed as the acceptable compromise between the brain-melting strobe light ads of the late 90s and the word-based ads that people would not object to. tl;dr: Google had to work at burning all of its bridges.
jallbrit 5y ago
The PDF reads (pg. 62): > In addition, the Google Drive website, the Google Drive mobile application, and the Google Drive Terms and Privacy policy all failed to disclose to users that Google as a third party had access to their WhatsApp communications. The Google Drive terms of service at the time even permitted Google the ability to use its access to users’ private WhatsApp communications in Google Drive to sell advertising. The last sentence suggests that yes, Google could have analyzed your uploads to serve you targeted ads.

And what are the implications? Is Google analyzing uploads to Google Drive to serve you targeted ads? That would be a big breach in trust.

by oezi 5y ago

And what are the implications? Is Google analyzing uploads to Google Drive to serve you targeted ads? That would be a big breach in trust.

matheusmoreira 5y ago

> Is Google analyzing uploads to Google Drive to serve you targeted ads? Is there any reason to believe they're not doing that? It's already a known fact that they scan files for malware and other illegal files such as CSAM. WhatsApp backup contents are a gold mine of personal information.

jvolkman 5y ago
Well, they explicitly say so in their privacy policy. > We don’t show you personalized ads based on your content from Drive, Gmail, or Photos.
- teflodollar 5y ago
  Yes, but that wording carefully evades explicitly saying they don’t scan content in the service of ads. For example they still could use your drive content to enrich how they target to other people who have similar profiles.

RNCTX 5y ago

> and what are the implications? Remember when Google was working on the DoD’s autonomous murder drone project? Isn’t WA the predominant means of text communication for people who travel abroad regularly?

Jensson 5y ago
> Remember when Google was working on the DoD’s autonomous murder drone project? They did just a demo, Amazon and Microsoft are the biggest contractors in that space. News media loves to shit on Google in these scenarios but most of it is just Google trying to take a pie of markets others are already in. So all these articles just amounts to Google becoming as evil as the other tech giants. For example, we know Microsoft takes on these DoD AI projects. Maybe the VSCode telemetry is used to help them make murder drones? We also know Microsoft collaborates with CCP to operate its bing search in China. Maybe they hand over the VSCode telemetry to CCP? People don't ask those questions about Microsoft, so why ask them about Google?
- RNCTX 5y ago
  Did you miss the early 2000s when we were all on Slashdot which headed every Microsoft story with Bill Gates in a Borg costume? Of course people accuse Microsoft, we've been accusing Microsoft since before Google existed. If you did miss that time because it's outside of your time in the tech world, the difference here is that Microsoft never claimed to be anything but a B2B software dealer with a passing fascination with extending its monopoly to the consumer markets. It tried cable TV boxes, phones, and all sorts of other hare brained ideas but the Xbox was the only one that really stuck. Google PR image'd itself as the anti-Microsoft. No feature creep, just a plain white page that showed you what you wanted to find. Features in the core search product were subtle and generally high on usefulness and low on intrusiveness. Even the Google ad business was marketed as the acceptable compromise between the brain-melting strobe light ads of the late 90s and the word-based ads that people would not object to. tl;dr: Google had to work at burning all of its bridges.

jallbrit 5y ago

The PDF reads (pg. 62): > In addition, the Google Drive website, the Google Drive mobile application, and the Google Drive Terms and Privacy policy all failed to disclose to users that Google as a third party had access to their WhatsApp communications. The Google Drive terms of service at the time even permitted Google the ability to use its access to users’ private WhatsApp communications in Google Drive to sell advertising. The last sentence suggests that yes, Google could have analyzed your uploads to serve you targeted ads.