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So does any other virus. Not to sound like a Covid braindamaged idiot here (from getting infected, cured, then getting a vaccine), but this kind of "news" won'

by bserge 5y ago

So does any other virus. Not to sound like a Covid braindamaged idiot here (from getting infected, cured, then getting a vaccine), but this kind of "news" won't help raise vaccination rates. Either deny hospitalization to unvaccinated people, or just fucking mandate vaccination. Just stop with the lockdowns and restrictions, just stop. People seem fine with ~10 vaccines for babies and several vaccines throughout their lives, but not the COVID one. Explain this idiocy.

CryptoPunk 5y ago
Yes, deny hospitalization to unvaccinated people, at least in publicly funded hospitals. This is a much fairer way to deal with it than a mandate that forces people to vaccinate under duress. And stop worrying about the unvaccinated transmitting to the vaccinated. The risk to the vaccinated is sufficiently low that it should not be a dominating concern any way. Also, vaccination doesn't stop COVID transmission enough to create herd immunity even at near 100% coverage, so we have to resign to COVID being endemic, especially given how rapidly a single strand RNA virus mutates. The caveat is we could potentially eliminate COVID, influenza and a host of other viral infections, if we take the reigns off the pharmaceutical industry, by eliminating FDA approval requirements for vaccines. Machine learning has made enormous paradigm shifting breakthroughs in other fields, like natural language processing and protein folding, and could very well do the same for drug discovery and testing. Drug development could potentially keep up with the viral mutation rate if it could subsist solely on faster processes, and jettison the slower FDA mandated ones.
- wanderingmind 5y ago
  Can we also start denying hospitals to smokers and drunk drivers and along the way stop treating kidney and liver issues for alcoholics. I'm not a fan of anti vaxxers, but this is a slippery slope that can truly create a hunger games outcome.
  - thioordc 5y ago
    It’s already down the slope! It’s wrong to deny people the care they need.
  - CryptoPunk 5y ago
    Forcing people to get a vaccine to be able to procure a wide range of private services, including eating at a restaurant and attending a cinema, is a more slippery slope.
- pigeonhole123 5y ago
  Should non vaccinated still be paying taxes for treatment they can’t use? If I didn’t have to pay for you grandmas hospital stay I would gladly agree.
  - skinnymuch 5y ago
    Every one who pays taxes pays for some stuff they don’t like or benefit from.
  - CryptoPunk 5y ago
    They can still use hospitals for non-COVID related stuff. I would purposely support making government healthcare program taxes/coverage opt-in, but that's less politically feasible than what I proposed.
zdragnar 5y ago
The covid one is still under emergency use authorization, and has no long term studies on side effects. It is a novel type of vaccine (mRna). It will almost certainly become one of the regular shots everyone gets as a kid if it ends up proving safe to do so.
- timbit42 5y ago
  No. It won't be like MMR vaccines for kids. It will become like the common cold which we don't vaccine kids against because they are at low risk. We will only booster the elderly and immunocompromised. But don't listen to me, listen to this doctor: ZDoggMD: Turning COVID Into The Common Cold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDRjIuC2eZE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDRjIuC2eZE
marton78 5y ago
It's a different technology. Just because we use the same word for it ("vaccine"), it doesn't mean our knowledge about e.g. the polio vaccine is applicable also to mRNA vaccines.

by bserge 5y ago

CryptoPunk 5y ago

Yes, deny hospitalization to unvaccinated people, at least in publicly funded hospitals. This is a much fairer way to deal with it than a mandate that forces people to vaccinate under duress. And stop worrying about the unvaccinated transmitting to the vaccinated. The risk to the vaccinated is sufficiently low that it should not be a dominating concern any way. Also, vaccination doesn't stop COVID transmission enough to create herd immunity even at near 100% coverage, so we have to resign to COVID being endemic, especially given how rapidly a single strand RNA virus mutates. The caveat is we could potentially eliminate COVID, influenza and a host of other viral infections, if we take the reigns off the pharmaceutical industry, by eliminating FDA approval requirements for vaccines. Machine learning has made enormous paradigm shifting breakthroughs in other fields, like natural language processing and protein folding, and could very well do the same for drug discovery and testing. Drug development could potentially keep up with the viral mutation rate if it could subsist solely on faster processes, and jettison the slower FDA mandated ones.

wanderingmind 5y ago
Can we also start denying hospitals to smokers and drunk drivers and along the way stop treating kidney and liver issues for alcoholics. I'm not a fan of anti vaxxers, but this is a slippery slope that can truly create a hunger games outcome.
- thioordc 5y ago
  It’s already down the slope! It’s wrong to deny people the care they need.
- CryptoPunk 5y ago
  Forcing people to get a vaccine to be able to procure a wide range of private services, including eating at a restaurant and attending a cinema, is a more slippery slope.
pigeonhole123 5y ago
Should non vaccinated still be paying taxes for treatment they can’t use? If I didn’t have to pay for you grandmas hospital stay I would gladly agree.
- skinnymuch 5y ago
  Every one who pays taxes pays for some stuff they don’t like or benefit from.
- CryptoPunk 5y ago
  They can still use hospitals for non-COVID related stuff. I would purposely support making government healthcare program taxes/coverage opt-in, but that's less politically feasible than what I proposed.

zdragnar 5y ago

The covid one is still under emergency use authorization, and has no long term studies on side effects. It is a novel type of vaccine (mRna). It will almost certainly become one of the regular shots everyone gets as a kid if it ends up proving safe to do so.

timbit42 5y ago
No. It won't be like MMR vaccines for kids. It will become like the common cold which we don't vaccine kids against because they are at low risk. We will only booster the elderly and immunocompromised. But don't listen to me, listen to this doctor: ZDoggMD: Turning COVID Into The Common Cold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDRjIuC2eZE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDRjIuC2eZE

marton78 5y ago

It's a different technology. Just because we use the same word for it ("vaccine"), it doesn't mean our knowledge about e.g. the polio vaccine is applicable also to mRNA vaccines.