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What’s annoying with Firefox is how much it advertises. Seriously, every time you start it, it opens one or even two tabs saying why Firefox loves you and prot

What’s annoying with Firefox is how much it advertises. Seriously, every time you start it, it opens one or even two tabs saying why Firefox loves you and protects you. It introduces nagging on the new tab page to tell you how much Firefox loves and protects you. It installs Pocket or has shortcuts to help you buy products that love and protect you. Firefox also insists that you should create a Mozilla account and upload all your passwords over. Because they are so kind and protecting about your privacy. Mozilla also fires people who donate to Christian charities for the beliefs they have (and yes, abortion is a belief, whichever side you are). Even if you are the founder of JS. Hear that: Mozilla fires people who are technically good, for political motivations. It’s as dystopian as it gets. They never apologized. Mozilla is as dystopian as Google, and the worst evil usually sits with people who believe they are the good guys. In fact, they are sponsored by Google and share the same political slant.

vord1080 5y ago
I was curious if this is true, so I created a new profile. The first two tabs were the normal onboarding and the privacy policy. When I opened a new tab I did get the silly news feed so I clicked the gear icon in the top right and turned it off. I haven't seen any nagging to create an account yet after mucking around with the UI. And honest question, what's your idea for monetizing Firefox? They're pushing subscription based products to reduce the reliance on Google money and adding different avenues for sponsorships that aren't from Google. Sounds like a plan to me. Also Brendan Eich had strong support within Mozilla. If I had to guess, he resigned because of external pressure. (remember OkCupid putting a banner on their service protesting Eich, that was wacky)
- dorgo 5y ago
  >And honest question, what's your idea for monetizing Firefox? How about taxes? Browsers are modern infrastructure, same as roads and street lights.
  - vord1080 5y ago
    I completely agree with you. Seems unlikely though :(
KennyBlanken 5y ago
> Seriously, every time you start it, it opens one or even two tabs saying why Firefox loves you and protects you. I believe the page you're talking about appears upon installation or update to a new version. There's also: Preferences -> New Windows -> Select "blank page" You can also install one of the de-branded Firefox remixes like Waterfox or Librewolf if you really want to be completely Mozilla-free. > Mozilla also fires people who donate to Christian charities for the beliefs they have Everything about this statement is factually wrong. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/faq-on-ceo-resignation/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/faq-on-ceo-resignation/ > Brendan was not fired and was not asked by the Board to resign. Brendan voluntarily submitted his resignation. The Board acted in response by inviting him to remain at Mozilla in another C-level position. Brendan declined that offer. The FAQ elaborates at length about the situation and emphasizes why he stepped down. Furthermore, the political contributions that triggered "boycotts, protests, and intense public scrutiny" were not to "christian charities" but donations to vehemently bigoted politicians across several decades, culminating with a donation to the California Proposition 8 PAC, a campaign to strip LGBTQ people living in California of the basic human right to marriage. Since numerous HNers asserted that "there is no human right to marriage" last time this subject came up: read Article 16 of the UN human rights charter.
Aaargh20318 5y ago
> Mozilla also fires people who donate to Christian charities for the beliefs they have (and yes, abortion is a belief, whichever side you are). You can believe whatever you want about abortion. What you cannot do is force other people to change their behaviour to accommodate your beliefs.
- shukantpal 5y ago
  "What you cannot do is force other people to change their behaviour to accommodate your beliefs" Now that is a tangent, because that is not what is being suggested.
  - Aaargh20318 5y ago
    > Now that is a tangent, because that is not what is being suggested. That's exactly what was suggested. The Mozilla CEO that resigned donated money to a 'charity' (can an organisation that promotes evil be a charity?) that tried to get gay marriage banned in California. That goes a lot further than just believing something, that's trying to force your beliefs on others. If you're against gay marriage, that's fine, don't marry someone of the same sex. But don't deny others that just because it doesn't fit your worldview.
passivate 5y ago
>Mozilla is as dystopian as Google, They are most definitely not. Its not even close. Google creates and maintains a world-wide spying apparatus, easy pickings for three letter agencies.

vord1080 5y ago

I was curious if this is true, so I created a new profile. The first two tabs were the normal onboarding and the privacy policy. When I opened a new tab I did get the silly news feed so I clicked the gear icon in the top right and turned it off. I haven't seen any nagging to create an account yet after mucking around with the UI. And honest question, what's your idea for monetizing Firefox? They're pushing subscription based products to reduce the reliance on Google money and adding different avenues for sponsorships that aren't from Google. Sounds like a plan to me. Also Brendan Eich had strong support within Mozilla. If I had to guess, he resigned because of external pressure. (remember OkCupid putting a banner on their service protesting Eich, that was wacky)

dorgo 5y ago
>And honest question, what's your idea for monetizing Firefox? How about taxes? Browsers are modern infrastructure, same as roads and street lights.
- vord1080 5y ago
  I completely agree with you. Seems unlikely though :(

KennyBlanken 5y ago

> Seriously, every time you start it, it opens one or even two tabs saying why Firefox loves you and protects you. I believe the page you're talking about appears upon installation or update to a new version. There's also: Preferences -> New Windows -> Select "blank page" You can also install one of the de-branded Firefox remixes like Waterfox or Librewolf if you really want to be completely Mozilla-free. > Mozilla also fires people who donate to Christian charities for the beliefs they have Everything about this statement is factually wrong. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/faq-on-ceo-resignation/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/faq-on-ceo-resignation/ > Brendan was not fired and was not asked by the Board to resign. Brendan voluntarily submitted his resignation. The Board acted in response by inviting him to remain at Mozilla in another C-level position. Brendan declined that offer. The FAQ elaborates at length about the situation and emphasizes why he stepped down. Furthermore, the political contributions that triggered "boycotts, protests, and intense public scrutiny" were not to "christian charities" but donations to vehemently bigoted politicians across several decades, culminating with a donation to the California Proposition 8 PAC, a campaign to strip LGBTQ people living in California of the basic human right to marriage. Since numerous HNers asserted that "there is no human right to marriage" last time this subject came up: read Article 16 of the UN human rights charter.

Aaargh20318 5y ago

> Mozilla also fires people who donate to Christian charities for the beliefs they have (and yes, abortion is a belief, whichever side you are). You can believe whatever you want about abortion. What you cannot do is force other people to change their behaviour to accommodate your beliefs.

shukantpal 5y ago
"What you cannot do is force other people to change their behaviour to accommodate your beliefs" Now that is a tangent, because that is not what is being suggested.
- Aaargh20318 5y ago
  > Now that is a tangent, because that is not what is being suggested. That's exactly what was suggested. The Mozilla CEO that resigned donated money to a 'charity' (can an organisation that promotes evil be a charity?) that tried to get gay marriage banned in California. That goes a lot further than just believing something, that's trying to force your beliefs on others. If you're against gay marriage, that's fine, don't marry someone of the same sex. But don't deny others that just because it doesn't fit your worldview.

passivate 5y ago

>Mozilla is as dystopian as Google, They are most definitely not. Its not even close. Google creates and maintains a world-wide spying apparatus, easy pickings for three letter agencies.