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They're also pushing for the adoption of Signed HTTP Exchanges, with several Google employees defending the spec here on HN, comparing it to be merely like HTTP

They're also pushing for the adoption of Signed HTTP Exchanges, with several Google employees defending the spec here on HN, comparing it to be merely like HTTPS in terms of publishers giving up control over their content. It's clear that Chrome must be separated from Google and Alphabet, nothing else will stop them from trying to colonize the web.

zebracanevra 5y ago
equating it to be merely like HTTPS in terms of publishers giving up control over their content. Where did you read that? I was under the impression that SXG is more similar to things like IPFS, where you can have content signed by its origin (or in IPFS, content addressed by its hash). Once that is achieved, any other site (e.g. a CDN like Google or Cloudflare) can cache and serve it securely and with authentication. You can sign whatever content you want with SXG, it isn't limited to AMP.
deadbunny 5y ago
> It's clear that Chrome must be separated from Google and Alphabet, nothing else will stop them from trying to colonize the web. Or advocate for open alternatives, use Firefox, and make sure any site you build (or you build at work) work perfectly in non Chrome browsers.
- dessant 5y ago
  > Or advocate for open alternatives Yes, supporting other browsers is a given, but did you want to say "and advocate"? Advocating for alternatives alone will achieve close to nothing when you are faced with a cartel, regulatory action is desperately needed in this industry.
- rytcio 5y ago
  The real problem is that Google/Chrome basically run the internet. If Google decides to change some internet standard, Firefox and web developers all follow suite like lemmings. It's like Google has become the authoritative leader in web without any sort of process or watchdog. Aside from getting people off of Chrome, the other need is to get people to stop following Google's leadership on all things web.
  - radlad 5y ago
    > If Google decides to change some internet standard, Firefox and web developers all follow suite like lemmings. This works because they have such a large market share. It's a chicken/egg problem. Switching to Firefox is the best most of us can do to achieve the goal of "getting people to stop following Google's leadership on all things web."
  - deadbunny 5y ago
    > The real problem is that Google/Chrome basically run the internet. Only because we let them. We gave them web domination, we the nerds told everyone and their mother to install Chrome so they do out of habit now. We sit and watch while Google bend the web to their will with AMP and dozens of non standard specs everyone hurriedly tries to support while we come up with excuses like "it faster", "the dev tools in chrome are better". Without a monopolistic marketshsre we give them they can't do this as easily. Go install Firefox and make it your default browser. Or just carry on using Chrome and wonder why Google keep getting away with doing antisocial, anti consumer shit.

zebracanevra 5y ago

equating it to be merely like HTTPS in terms of publishers giving up control over their content. Where did you read that? I was under the impression that SXG is more similar to things like IPFS, where you can have content signed by its origin (or in IPFS, content addressed by its hash). Once that is achieved, any other site (e.g. a CDN like Google or Cloudflare) can cache and serve it securely and with authentication. You can sign whatever content you want with SXG, it isn't limited to AMP.

deadbunny 5y ago

> It's clear that Chrome must be separated from Google and Alphabet, nothing else will stop them from trying to colonize the web. Or advocate for open alternatives, use Firefox, and make sure any site you build (or you build at work) work perfectly in non Chrome browsers.

dessant 5y ago
> Or advocate for open alternatives Yes, supporting other browsers is a given, but did you want to say "and advocate"? Advocating for alternatives alone will achieve close to nothing when you are faced with a cartel, regulatory action is desperately needed in this industry.
rytcio 5y ago
The real problem is that Google/Chrome basically run the internet. If Google decides to change some internet standard, Firefox and web developers all follow suite like lemmings. It's like Google has become the authoritative leader in web without any sort of process or watchdog. Aside from getting people off of Chrome, the other need is to get people to stop following Google's leadership on all things web.
- radlad 5y ago
  > If Google decides to change some internet standard, Firefox and web developers all follow suite like lemmings. This works because they have such a large market share. It's a chicken/egg problem. Switching to Firefox is the best most of us can do to achieve the goal of "getting people to stop following Google's leadership on all things web."
- deadbunny 5y ago
  > The real problem is that Google/Chrome basically run the internet. Only because we let them. We gave them web domination, we the nerds told everyone and their mother to install Chrome so they do out of habit now. We sit and watch while Google bend the web to their will with AMP and dozens of non standard specs everyone hurriedly tries to support while we come up with excuses like "it faster", "the dev tools in chrome are better". Without a monopolistic marketshsre we give them they can't do this as easily. Go install Firefox and make it your default browser. Or just carry on using Chrome and wonder why Google keep getting away with doing antisocial, anti consumer shit.