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You can have religion without esotericism, mythicism and spirituality - then it’s called morality.

by nkmnz 5y ago

azth 5y ago
Without an ultimate authority (God), it doesn't make sense.
- nkmnz 5y ago
  It doesn’t make sense _to you_. You’re welcome.
  - azth 5y ago
    No, it's objective. See my reply here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28977485 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28977485
    - nkmnz 5y ago
      Thank God he staffed you with all the objectivity he had left after creating the objective universe so that you can enlighten us with such third grader logic.
      - azth 5y ago
        Give me a moral basis on why we can't destroy Earth when at the end of the day, from an atheistic materialistic point of view, nothing matters since we're all "chemical scum". Suffering or pleasure, it doesn't matter one bit. This isn't controversial, this is what atheist heads and philosophers say because it's the only logical conclusion to arrive at from their world view: https://youtu.be/EqK_JPts26k?t=183 https://youtu.be/EqK_JPts26k?t=183
        nkmnz 5y ago
        Is it you or your God who thinks other people think of other people as „chemical scum“? What if that same God that allows you to think of other people as people who think of other people as „chemical scum“ also allows for subjective morality rather than your objective version of it? What if I told you God himself has sent me to bring you this very message? Would it confuse you?
        azth 5y ago
        I think you're not understanding the point. Stephen Hawking is on record for saying that humans are "a chemical scum on a moderately sized planet". From the atheistic materialistic point of view, that's the only logical conclusion to reach. If you're claiming that God sent you with a message, you're going to have to bring evidence, claiming is not enough.
        krapp 5y ago
        >If you're claiming that God sent you with a message, you're going to have to bring evidence, claiming is not enough. You're the one making that claim, you bring the evidence, since you ignored mine. You can start by proving, objectively, the existence of your God.
        azth 5y ago
        We have our overwhelming evidence. Just a few very quick examples: * https://www.provingislam.com/proofs/fire-of-hijaz https://www.provingislam.com/proofs/fire-of-hijaz * https://www.provingislam.com/proofs/green-arabia https://www.provingislam.com/proofs/green-arabia * https://www.provingislam.com/proofs/bedouins-prophecy https://www.provingislam.com/proofs/bedouins-prophecy * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3FmcWR1M-0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3FmcWR1M-0 You diverted the discussion to prove the existence of God. The original discussion was that it is not possible to have objective morality without a Creator. That is fact as per the atheist figures and philosophers, so no need to argue that point.
        krapp 5y ago
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You can have religion without esotericism, mythicism and spirituality - then it’s called morality.

by nkmnz 5y ago

You can have religion without esotericism, mythicism and spirituality - then it’s called morality.

azth 5y ago

Without an ultimate authority (God), it doesn't make sense.

nkmnz 5y ago
It doesn’t make sense _to you_. You’re welcome.
- azth 5y ago
  No, it's objective. See my reply here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28977485 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28977485
  - nkmnz 5y ago
    Thank God he staffed you with all the objectivity he had left after creating the objective universe so that you can enlighten us with such third grader logic.
    - azth 5y ago
      Give me a moral basis on why we can't destroy Earth when at the end of the day, from an atheistic materialistic point of view, nothing matters since we're all "chemical scum". Suffering or pleasure, it doesn't matter one bit. This isn't controversial, this is what atheist heads and philosophers say because it's the only logical conclusion to arrive at from their world view: https://youtu.be/EqK_JPts26k?t=183 https://youtu.be/EqK_JPts26k?t=183
      - nkmnz 5y ago
        Is it you or your God who thinks other people think of other people as „chemical scum“? What if that same God that allows you to think of other people as people who think of other people as „chemical scum“ also allows for subjective morality rather than your objective version of it? What if I told you God himself has sent me to bring you this very message? Would it confuse you?
        azth 5y ago
        I think you're not understanding the point. Stephen Hawking is on record for saying that humans are "a chemical scum on a moderately sized planet". From the atheistic materialistic point of view, that's the only logical conclusion to reach. If you're claiming that God sent you with a message, you're going to have to bring evidence, claiming is not enough.
        krapp 5y ago
        >If you're claiming that God sent you with a message, you're going to have to bring evidence, claiming is not enough. You're the one making that claim, you bring the evidence, since you ignored mine. You can start by proving, objectively, the existence of your God.
        azth 5y ago
        We have our overwhelming evidence. Just a few very quick examples: * https://www.provingislam.com/proofs/fire-of-hijaz https://www.provingislam.com/proofs/fire-of-hijaz * https://www.provingislam.com/proofs/green-arabia https://www.provingislam.com/proofs/green-arabia * https://www.provingislam.com/proofs/bedouins-prophecy https://www.provingislam.com/proofs/bedouins-prophecy * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3FmcWR1M-0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3FmcWR1M-0 You diverted the discussion to prove the existence of God. The original discussion was that it is not possible to have objective morality without a Creator. That is fact as per the atheist figures and philosophers, so no need to argue that point.
        krapp 5y ago
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