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Just playing devil's advocate. Isn't the "spirit" of the parent comment saying: because we have a free and accessible way to reduce the transmission of pathogen

Just playing devil's advocate. Isn't the "spirit" of the parent comment saying: because we have a free and accessible way to reduce the transmission of pathogens, excluding yourself from it for non-medical reasons should have some consequence for you? One +1 point for scenarios like polio, where it's been virtually eliminated in the US by way of successful vaccination programs. [0] One -1 point for scenarios like influenza, which despite still causing many deaths per year, receiving a flu shot is encouraged but not required. [1] [0] https://www.cdc.gov/polio/what-is-polio/polio-us.html https://www.cdc.gov/polio/what-is-polio/polio-us.html [1] https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

AndrewBissell 5y ago
But almost no one is "excluding themselves for non-medical reasons." They're excluding themselves because they're at very low risk from Covid, the adverse event rate for these vaccines is about 30-50 times those of the flu shot, and they have no long-term safety data. Before the stops were pulled out for Covid, previous attempts at using these platforms foundered because waning effectiveness necessitated repeat dosing (hmmm...) and cumulative toxic effects were observed over time (hmmmmmmmm...)
- Wowfunhappy 5y ago
  > Before the stops were pulled out for Covid, previous attempts at using these platforms foundered because waning effectiveness necessitated repeat dosing (hmmm...) and cumulative toxic effects were observed over time (hmmmmmmmm...) Could you please share more information on this?
  - native_samples 5y ago
    e.g. https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/10/moderna-trouble-mrna/ https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/10/moderna-trouble-mrna/
ekianjo 5y ago
> a free and accessible way I didn't know the vaccine was free. I'm glad to learn that Pfizer is not making any money on all this.
- deleted 5y ago
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- Wowfunhappy 5y ago
  It's free for individuals.
  - pbak 5y ago
    Individuals not paying taxes, yes. Oh wait, we all do, in one way or another...

AndrewBissell 5y ago

But almost no one is "excluding themselves for non-medical reasons." They're excluding themselves because they're at very low risk from Covid, the adverse event rate for these vaccines is about 30-50 times those of the flu shot, and they have no long-term safety data. Before the stops were pulled out for Covid, previous attempts at using these platforms foundered because waning effectiveness necessitated repeat dosing (hmmm...) and cumulative toxic effects were observed over time (hmmmmmmmm...)

Wowfunhappy 5y ago
> Before the stops were pulled out for Covid, previous attempts at using these platforms foundered because waning effectiveness necessitated repeat dosing (hmmm...) and cumulative toxic effects were observed over time (hmmmmmmmm...) Could you please share more information on this?
- native_samples 5y ago
  e.g. https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/10/moderna-trouble-mrna/ https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/10/moderna-trouble-mrna/

ekianjo 5y ago

> a free and accessible way I didn't know the vaccine was free. I'm glad to learn that Pfizer is not making any money on all this.

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Wowfunhappy 5y ago
It's free for individuals.
- pbak 5y ago
  Individuals not paying taxes, yes. Oh wait, we all do, in one way or another...