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> with their well-intentioned policies they’ve reinforced what they most wanted to destroy: a society of the haves and have-nots. As a newly-former SF resident

> with their well-intentioned policies they’ve reinforced what they most wanted to destroy: a society of the haves and have-nots. As a newly-former SF resident and worker, what I witnessed over the past decade confirms your sad summary. The unintended consequences of misguided yet well-intentioned political policies.

Ericson2314 5y ago
There is nothing well-intentioned about NIMBYism. While all this culture war keeps us busy, cars and short buildings laugh at us.
- m_herrlich 5y ago
  I'm sick of the NIMBY card. This should not be in ANYONE'S backyard. NIMBYism is Houston, Atlanta, etc. buying one-way bus tickets to Seattle and SF. Locals who want the problem solved are not NIMBY's.
- chroem- 5y ago
  NIMBYism is a scapegoat. The problem is much more deeply rooted in the city's culture.
  - Ericson2314 5y ago
    You are spouting nonmaterialist nonsense. All American cities are anti-growth. The hippie legacy is pretty thin at this point and the cities are closer culturally to each other than the stagnant areas. The Bay Area/California simply had more relativd demand for growth than many other areas, and better weather than the Northeast re homelessness on particular, and this is the inevitable result.
kcplate 5y ago
The problem is people are measuring policy success by how well intentioned it was rather than it’s results. Then, to further pile on to the disaster, political correctness discourages people from looking critically at the effects.
lm28469 5y ago
That's what happens when you put your ideology glasses on, you stop seeing reality. People fight for what they value as good even if everything tells them it doesn't work in the real world, as if the idea itself was more valuable than its manifestations. We're seeing that all over the world, especially in Europe with the remains of the Lumières ideals, ideals which don't scale nor work in our globalized/capitalist world

Ericson2314 5y ago

There is nothing well-intentioned about NIMBYism. While all this culture war keeps us busy, cars and short buildings laugh at us.

m_herrlich 5y ago
I'm sick of the NIMBY card. This should not be in ANYONE'S backyard. NIMBYism is Houston, Atlanta, etc. buying one-way bus tickets to Seattle and SF. Locals who want the problem solved are not NIMBY's.
chroem- 5y ago
NIMBYism is a scapegoat. The problem is much more deeply rooted in the city's culture.
- Ericson2314 5y ago
  You are spouting nonmaterialist nonsense. All American cities are anti-growth. The hippie legacy is pretty thin at this point and the cities are closer culturally to each other than the stagnant areas. The Bay Area/California simply had more relativd demand for growth than many other areas, and better weather than the Northeast re homelessness on particular, and this is the inevitable result.

kcplate 5y ago

The problem is people are measuring policy success by how well intentioned it was rather than it’s results. Then, to further pile on to the disaster, political correctness discourages people from looking critically at the effects.

lm28469 5y ago

That's what happens when you put your ideology glasses on, you stop seeing reality. People fight for what they value as good even if everything tells them it doesn't work in the real world, as if the idea itself was more valuable than its manifestations. We're seeing that all over the world, especially in Europe with the remains of the Lumières ideals, ideals which don't scale nor work in our globalized/capitalist world