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> Guys and girls. This starting to look exactly like communism Is this some kind of a joke I don't get? If you're serious tho, it sounds like a positive to me.

> Guys and girls. This starting to look exactly like communism Is this some kind of a joke I don't get? If you're serious tho, it sounds like a positive to me. > Cars are not the enemy They are. Most modern cities are an unlivable toxic mess thanks to the fact we based transportation on private cars. There is no clean tech that can sustain the large scale usage of cars we currently have. Even electric pollutes a lot just during production/disposal. I'm so tired of being poisoned (and with my greatest discomfort, my child too) every time I go out. I'm tired of having to give up something like 80% of the open space in our cities to a mass of lazy people that identify their "freedom" with the possession of a private vehicle. > Example: Porsche's synthetic fuel You know that only an infinitesimal part of the population will ever be able to afford a Porsche? How is that going to change anything except by calming the guilt of a few privileged individuals? > The risk of biking injuries is always present. That's why as they specify in the thread, you need a critical mass, in order to stop hysterical moped/car drivers from trying to dangerously pass you. Maybe if you just read it, instead of going on a rant against communism, you'd have something better to offer to this discussion. I promise you, I love this idea so much I am going to dedicate myself to spread it and make it a reality.

nbzso 5y ago
>Is this some kind of a joke I don't get? If you're serious tho, it sounds like a positive to me. How much of your life you have spend under communistic regime? A assume none. That's was the point of my comment. You are a sitting ducks and the rational thing is to educate yourselves, but emotions are a default response. As always. >You know that only an infinitesimal part of the population will ever be able to afford a Porsche? Porches synthetic fuel has nothing to do directly with their cars. This and bio-fuel will be the actual thing to reduce the global emissions. Not some group biking. What about people that have a disability and cannot bike? Inclusive approach is the answer in design and in systematic thinking. Not exclusive activism that is so popular in the West now (mainly as result of libertarian-communistic minded educational system for the rich kids and the lucky ones). Please, do a little research before making a response to my comment: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/09/porsches-new-synthetic-gasoline-may-fuel-formula-1-races/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/09/porsches-new-synthetic-... https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry-news-environment-and-energy/porsche-breaks-ground-synthetic-fuel-plant-chile https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry-news-environment... https://evcentral.com.au/synthetic-petrol-understanding-porsches-e-fuel-ambitions/ https://evcentral.com.au/synthetic-petrol-understanding-pors... >I promise you, I love this idea so much I am going to dedicate myself to spread it and make it a reality. Wish you luck in this crusade.:)
- pastacacioepepe 5y ago
  It's crazy how deeply insecure capitalists are about capitalism. Now some people riding a bike together are a sign of a rising communist regime. > How much of your life you have spend under communistic regime? A assume none Communism means a stateless society, free from classes and exploitation. I wish I could live in a communist society, obviously not in a regime. But I can tell you, I've lived my entire life under capitalism and exploitation, I've seen the good and the bad and I hate it with every fiber of my being.
  - nbzso 5y ago
    >But I can tell you, I've lived my entire life under capitalism and exploitation, I've seen the good and the bad and I hate it with every fiber of my being. I understand, that is why in my view the solution is to investigate and demand justice, lower the rate of corruption and lobbing and require more free market capitalism and less monopolistic and politically motivated practices. >Communism means a stateless society, free from classes and exploitation. This is never the real result. There were privileged "party" members which ruled in the shadows without any form of impunity, lived like modern bourgeois class while the masses consumed low grade products and followed collective constraints. The Davos plan for the future of the world is exactly the same in its core. You will live in "socially" acceptable constrains, with UBI (which will require total loss of privacy and some other nasty stuff), with no freedom of movement (due never ending pandemic or terrorists threats), with no ownership of transportation (due the high cost of electric vehicles or high petrol prices), no ability to grow and produce food (due to monopolistic companies which will be able to afford the regulatory "Green" tax), etc. So you will own nothing and will be happy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD-ioJM8v64 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD-ioJM8v64 Everything while billionaire elites will live like gods in comfort, protected by the laws and mass surveillance apparatus. This is the love child of communistic criminals of the past and western billionaires families which are investing billions in manufacturing consent trough technology and media psyops. And it always starts with: Good intention, The Children, etc. Everything that I shared about the communistic implementation can be fact-checked.
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BuyMyBitcoins 5y ago
>” They are. Most modern cities are an unlivable toxic mess thanks to the fact we based transportation on private cars.” This is rhetorical hyperbole that undermines your position. If cities were actually “unlivable” then people wouldn’t be living there and it would cease to be a city. Toxic is also an exaggeration.
- adrianN 5y ago
  You can say that about literally everything that we did in the past and don't do anymore because we finally came up with better alternatives. Take the mining industry for most of its existence for example. Working in the mines was a literal death sentence, yet people did it voluntarily. Even children. Why? Because there were no alternatives for them.

nbzso 5y ago

>Is this some kind of a joke I don't get? If you're serious tho, it sounds like a positive to me. How much of your life you have spend under communistic regime? A assume none. That's was the point of my comment. You are a sitting ducks and the rational thing is to educate yourselves, but emotions are a default response. As always. >You know that only an infinitesimal part of the population will ever be able to afford a Porsche? Porches synthetic fuel has nothing to do directly with their cars. This and bio-fuel will be the actual thing to reduce the global emissions. Not some group biking. What about people that have a disability and cannot bike? Inclusive approach is the answer in design and in systematic thinking. Not exclusive activism that is so popular in the West now (mainly as result of libertarian-communistic minded educational system for the rich kids and the lucky ones). Please, do a little research before making a response to my comment: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/09/porsches-new-synthetic-gasoline-may-fuel-formula-1-races/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/09/porsches-new-synthetic-... https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry-news-environment-and-energy/porsche-breaks-ground-synthetic-fuel-plant-chile https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry-news-environment... https://evcentral.com.au/synthetic-petrol-understanding-porsches-e-fuel-ambitions/ https://evcentral.com.au/synthetic-petrol-understanding-pors... >I promise you, I love this idea so much I am going to dedicate myself to spread it and make it a reality. Wish you luck in this crusade.:)

pastacacioepepe 5y ago
It's crazy how deeply insecure capitalists are about capitalism. Now some people riding a bike together are a sign of a rising communist regime. > How much of your life you have spend under communistic regime? A assume none Communism means a stateless society, free from classes and exploitation. I wish I could live in a communist society, obviously not in a regime. But I can tell you, I've lived my entire life under capitalism and exploitation, I've seen the good and the bad and I hate it with every fiber of my being.
- nbzso 5y ago
  >But I can tell you, I've lived my entire life under capitalism and exploitation, I've seen the good and the bad and I hate it with every fiber of my being. I understand, that is why in my view the solution is to investigate and demand justice, lower the rate of corruption and lobbing and require more free market capitalism and less monopolistic and politically motivated practices. >Communism means a stateless society, free from classes and exploitation. This is never the real result. There were privileged "party" members which ruled in the shadows without any form of impunity, lived like modern bourgeois class while the masses consumed low grade products and followed collective constraints. The Davos plan for the future of the world is exactly the same in its core. You will live in "socially" acceptable constrains, with UBI (which will require total loss of privacy and some other nasty stuff), with no freedom of movement (due never ending pandemic or terrorists threats), with no ownership of transportation (due the high cost of electric vehicles or high petrol prices), no ability to grow and produce food (due to monopolistic companies which will be able to afford the regulatory "Green" tax), etc. So you will own nothing and will be happy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD-ioJM8v64 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD-ioJM8v64 Everything while billionaire elites will live like gods in comfort, protected by the laws and mass surveillance apparatus. This is the love child of communistic criminals of the past and western billionaires families which are investing billions in manufacturing consent trough technology and media psyops. And it always starts with: Good intention, The Children, etc. Everything that I shared about the communistic implementation can be fact-checked.
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BuyMyBitcoins 5y ago

>” They are. Most modern cities are an unlivable toxic mess thanks to the fact we based transportation on private cars.” This is rhetorical hyperbole that undermines your position. If cities were actually “unlivable” then people wouldn’t be living there and it would cease to be a city. Toxic is also an exaggeration.

adrianN 5y ago
You can say that about literally everything that we did in the past and don't do anymore because we finally came up with better alternatives. Take the mining industry for most of its existence for example. Working in the mines was a literal death sentence, yet people did it voluntarily. Even children. Why? Because there were no alternatives for them.