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The Verge has an article about this.[0] >The Verge understands that the decision to remove the functionality from .NET 6 was made by Julia Liuson, the head of

by M2Ys4U 5y ago

The Verge has an article about this.[0] >The Verge understands that the decision to remove the functionality from .NET 6 was made by Julia Liuson, the head of Microsoft’s developer division. Sources describe the move as a business-led decision, and it’s clear the company thought it would fly under the radar and not generate a backlash. Engineers at Microsoft that have worked on .NET for years with the open source community feel betrayed and fear the decision will have lasting effects on Microsoft’s open source efforts. [0] https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/22/22740701/microsoft-dotnet-hot-reload-removal-decision-open-source https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/22/22740701/microsoft-dotne...

stefan_ 5y ago
This is the kind of boneheaded, "my division above all" move that should see someone removed off any product decisions whatsoever. Reminds me of the people at Android that keep pushing big carrier SMS group chat protocols, where everyone can tell from miles afar they are just a blind caterpillar sensing their way along some local optimum gradient descent in whatever mismatched incentive hell their big corp job has landed them.
whoisthemachine 5y ago
While I'm sure the business drove the decision, some developer had to make the pull request, no? What I wonder is whether a "lose your job if you don't do as I wish" gun was stuck to a developer's head, or did they find the right developer with the right permissions to push this change through in spite of resistance? The former option gives me shudders, while the latter saddens me. EDIT: grammar
- skohan 5y ago
  Or the manager wrote a ticket to make the change, and the developer just did it as part of their job with no fanfare or minimal resistance seems like the most likely scenario
- DeathArrow 5y ago
  Usually they open a ticket, some poor guy has to execute it unless he doesn't want to lose his job.
ziml77 5y ago
Sounds like Liuson needs to be removed from Microsoft. I'm not usually looking for blood, but since they put this feature back it confirms that there was no good reason for it to be removed other than pure greed.
- DeathArrow 5y ago
  But there might be other people like her hidden somewhere. To solve it, they should rethink the way decisions are made. Allow engineers to take part in the decision process.
DeathArrow 5y ago
If a manager has more power to make decisions than the majority of the engineers involved in a product taken together, then something is wrong with the organization.

by M2Ys4U 5y ago

stefan_ 5y ago

This is the kind of boneheaded, "my division above all" move that should see someone removed off any product decisions whatsoever. Reminds me of the people at Android that keep pushing big carrier SMS group chat protocols, where everyone can tell from miles afar they are just a blind caterpillar sensing their way along some local optimum gradient descent in whatever mismatched incentive hell their big corp job has landed them.

whoisthemachine 5y ago

While I'm sure the business drove the decision, some developer had to make the pull request, no? What I wonder is whether a "lose your job if you don't do as I wish" gun was stuck to a developer's head, or did they find the right developer with the right permissions to push this change through in spite of resistance? The former option gives me shudders, while the latter saddens me. EDIT: grammar

skohan 5y ago
Or the manager wrote a ticket to make the change, and the developer just did it as part of their job with no fanfare or minimal resistance seems like the most likely scenario
DeathArrow 5y ago
Usually they open a ticket, some poor guy has to execute it unless he doesn't want to lose his job.

ziml77 5y ago

Sounds like Liuson needs to be removed from Microsoft. I'm not usually looking for blood, but since they put this feature back it confirms that there was no good reason for it to be removed other than pure greed.

DeathArrow 5y ago
But there might be other people like her hidden somewhere. To solve it, they should rethink the way decisions are made. Allow engineers to take part in the decision process.

DeathArrow 5y ago

If a manager has more power to make decisions than the majority of the engineers involved in a product taken together, then something is wrong with the organization.