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Yes, vaccines prevent you from ending up in the ICU, but they aren't preventing the spread. This portion of your comment in particular is false. People who re

by gzer0 5y ago

Yes, vaccines prevent you from ending up in the ICU, but they aren't preventing the spread. This portion of your comment in particular is false. People who receive two COVID-19 jabs and later contract the Delta variant are less likely to infect their close contacts than are unvaccinated people with Delta. Relevant Nature article (October 5, 2021). However, good job on the masks part, please keep wearing them! :-) [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y

IncRnd 5y ago
Here is the full quote from the article: "The study shows that people who become infected with the Delta variant are less likely to pass the virus to their close contacts if they have already had a COVID-19 vaccine than if they haven’t1. But that protective effect is relatively small, and dwindles alarmingly at three months after the receipt of the second shot. "
yesbut 5y ago
Less likely != prevent
- gzer0 5y ago
  They are helping to prevent. You are truly grasping at straws here.
  - yesbut 5y ago
    > Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/
  - exporectomy 5y ago
    Are you implying that the claim in the rap was factually correct and Youtube was wrong to classify it as misinformation?
rtsil 5y ago
> they aren't preventing the spread. > less likely to infect their close contacts than are unvaccinated people with Delta I don't see these as contradictory. Vaccines are more effective against transmissions, yet vaccines don't slow down transmissions in a significative way. As per the article: > Unfortunately, the vaccine’s beneficial effect on Delta transmission waned to almost negligible levels over time. In people infected 2 weeks after receiving the vaccine developed by the University of Oxford and AstraZeneca, both in the UK, the chance that an unvaccinated close contact would test positive was 57%, but 3 months later, that chance rose to 67%. The latter figure is on par with the likelihood that an unvaccinated person will spread the virus. > A reduction was also observed in people vaccinated with the jab made by US company Pfizer and German firm BioNTech. The risk of spreading the Delta infection soon after vaccination with that jab was 42%, but increased to 58% with time. Fully agree on the mask though. Plus social distancing, if possible.
- yesbut 5y ago
  The study contradicts his assumptions so he is unable to take this new information and update preexisting beliefs. Or he didn't read the new study. A bunch of people are living in denial.
  - gzer0 5y ago
    It seems you are using a tactic of obfuscation and confusion to derail the conversation. Seems like you’ve successfully done just that.
    - yesbut 5y ago
      tell that to the study author's institutions then: Harvard Center for Population and Development Studies, Cambridge, MA USA Department of Social and Behavioral Sciences, Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, Boston, MA USA Turner Fenton Secondary School, Brampton, ON Canada

by gzer0 5y ago

IncRnd 5y ago

Here is the full quote from the article: "The study shows that people who become infected with the Delta variant are less likely to pass the virus to their close contacts if they have already had a COVID-19 vaccine than if they haven’t1. But that protective effect is relatively small, and dwindles alarmingly at three months after the receipt of the second shot. "

yesbut 5y ago

Less likely != prevent

gzer0 5y ago
They are helping to prevent. You are truly grasping at straws here.
- yesbut 5y ago
  > Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/
- exporectomy 5y ago
  Are you implying that the claim in the rap was factually correct and Youtube was wrong to classify it as misinformation?

rtsil 5y ago

> they aren't preventing the spread. > less likely to infect their close contacts than are unvaccinated people with Delta I don't see these as contradictory. Vaccines are more effective against transmissions, yet vaccines don't slow down transmissions in a significative way. As per the article: > Unfortunately, the vaccine’s beneficial effect on Delta transmission waned to almost negligible levels over time. In people infected 2 weeks after receiving the vaccine developed by the University of Oxford and AstraZeneca, both in the UK, the chance that an unvaccinated close contact would test positive was 57%, but 3 months later, that chance rose to 67%. The latter figure is on par with the likelihood that an unvaccinated person will spread the virus. > A reduction was also observed in people vaccinated with the jab made by US company Pfizer and German firm BioNTech. The risk of spreading the Delta infection soon after vaccination with that jab was 42%, but increased to 58% with time. Fully agree on the mask though. Plus social distancing, if possible.

yesbut 5y ago
The study contradicts his assumptions so he is unable to take this new information and update preexisting beliefs. Or he didn't read the new study. A bunch of people are living in denial.
- gzer0 5y ago
  It seems you are using a tactic of obfuscation and confusion to derail the conversation. Seems like you’ve successfully done just that.
  - yesbut 5y ago
    tell that to the study author's institutions then: Harvard Center for Population and Development Studies, Cambridge, MA USA Department of Social and Behavioral Sciences, Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, Boston, MA USA Turner Fenton Secondary School, Brampton, ON Canada