4 ms·

Yes, vaccines prevent you from ending up in the ICU, but they aren't preventing the spread. Did you think the vaccines would prevent you from contracting covid

by yesbut 5y ago

Yes, vaccines prevent you from ending up in the ICU, but they aren't preventing the spread. Did you think the vaccines would prevent you from contracting covid? Wear your masks people.

u801e 5y ago
You could make the same argument about any commonly administered vaccine if only 58% of the population are vaccinated. There were a number of outbreaks of measles several years ago when the localized percentage of people vaccinated dropped below 95%.
- yesbut 5y ago
  In regards to covid-19 in particular: > Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/
  - jfrunyon 5y ago
    And yet if you scroll just a bit further down you'll see a graph that shows significantly fewer cases in, say, counties with more than 60% fully vaccinated, compared to say, counties with 5-50%. Almost like there's this spot where, once you have enough people vaccinated, the virus can no longer spread. Hmm. Wonder why that could be. Certainly it couldn't possibly be exactly what experts have been telling us for the past century.
gzer0 5y ago
Yes, vaccines prevent you from ending up in the ICU, but they aren't preventing the spread. This portion of your comment in particular is false. People who receive two COVID-19 jabs and later contract the Delta variant are less likely to infect their close contacts than are unvaccinated people with Delta. Relevant Nature article (October 5, 2021). However, good job on the masks part, please keep wearing them! :-) [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y
- IncRnd 5y ago
  Here is the full quote from the article: "The study shows that people who become infected with the Delta variant are less likely to pass the virus to their close contacts if they have already had a COVID-19 vaccine than if they haven’t1. But that protective effect is relatively small, and dwindles alarmingly at three months after the receipt of the second shot. "
- yesbut 5y ago
  Less likely != prevent
  - gzer0 5y ago
    They are helping to prevent. You are truly grasping at straws here.
    - yesbut 5y ago
      > Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/
    - exporectomy 5y ago
      Are you implying that the claim in the rap was factually correct and Youtube was wrong to classify it as misinformation?
- rtsil 5y ago
  > they aren't preventing the spread. > less likely to infect their close contacts than are unvaccinated people with Delta I don't see these as contradictory. Vaccines are more effective against transmissions, yet vaccines don't slow down transmissions in a significative way. As per the article: > Unfortunately, the vaccine’s beneficial effect on Delta transmission waned to almost negligible levels over time. In people infected 2 weeks after receiving the vaccine developed by the University of Oxford and AstraZeneca, both in the UK, the chance that an unvaccinated close contact would test positive was 57%, but 3 months later, that chance rose to 67%. The latter figure is on par with the likelihood that an unvaccinated person will spread the virus. > A reduction was also observed in people vaccinated with the jab made by US company Pfizer and German firm BioNTech. The risk of spreading the Delta infection soon after vaccination with that jab was 42%, but increased to 58% with time. Fully agree on the mask though. Plus social distancing, if possible.

by yesbut 5y ago

Yes, vaccines prevent you from ending up in the ICU, but they aren't preventing the spread. Did you think the vaccines would prevent you from contracting covid? Wear your masks people.

u801e 5y ago

You could make the same argument about any commonly administered vaccine if only 58% of the population are vaccinated. There were a number of outbreaks of measles several years ago when the localized percentage of people vaccinated dropped below 95%.

yesbut 5y ago
In regards to covid-19 in particular: > Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/
- jfrunyon 5y ago
  And yet if you scroll just a bit further down you'll see a graph that shows significantly fewer cases in, say, counties with more than 60% fully vaccinated, compared to say, counties with 5-50%. Almost like there's this spot where, once you have enough people vaccinated, the virus can no longer spread. Hmm. Wonder why that could be. Certainly it couldn't possibly be exactly what experts have been telling us for the past century.

gzer0 5y ago

Yes, vaccines prevent you from ending up in the ICU, but they aren't preventing the spread. This portion of your comment in particular is false. People who receive two COVID-19 jabs and later contract the Delta variant are less likely to infect their close contacts than are unvaccinated people with Delta. Relevant Nature article (October 5, 2021). However, good job on the masks part, please keep wearing them! :-) [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y

IncRnd 5y ago
Here is the full quote from the article: "The study shows that people who become infected with the Delta variant are less likely to pass the virus to their close contacts if they have already had a COVID-19 vaccine than if they haven’t1. But that protective effect is relatively small, and dwindles alarmingly at three months after the receipt of the second shot. "
yesbut 5y ago
Less likely != prevent
- gzer0 5y ago
  They are helping to prevent. You are truly grasping at straws here.
  - yesbut 5y ago
    > Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/
  - exporectomy 5y ago
    Are you implying that the claim in the rap was factually correct and Youtube was wrong to classify it as misinformation?
rtsil 5y ago
> they aren't preventing the spread. > less likely to infect their close contacts than are unvaccinated people with Delta I don't see these as contradictory. Vaccines are more effective against transmissions, yet vaccines don't slow down transmissions in a significative way. As per the article: > Unfortunately, the vaccine’s beneficial effect on Delta transmission waned to almost negligible levels over time. In people infected 2 weeks after receiving the vaccine developed by the University of Oxford and AstraZeneca, both in the UK, the chance that an unvaccinated close contact would test positive was 57%, but 3 months later, that chance rose to 67%. The latter figure is on par with the likelihood that an unvaccinated person will spread the virus. > A reduction was also observed in people vaccinated with the jab made by US company Pfizer and German firm BioNTech. The risk of spreading the Delta infection soon after vaccination with that jab was 42%, but increased to 58% with time. Fully agree on the mask though. Plus social distancing, if possible.