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Maybe I'm naive, but I fully buy the explanation of "we decided to not have it in the OSS version due to constrained resources" (if I'm parsing the discussion c

Maybe I'm naive, but I fully buy the explanation of "we decided to not have it in the OSS version due to constrained resources" (if I'm parsing the discussion correctly). That was evidently not the smartest move, but attributing it to malice is taking it quite a step further. Change my view.

oaiey 5y ago
It was done. It was first done and presented in dotnet watch. The community contributes a lot, why not letting them maintain it. VS fights a uphill battle to stay relevant. It empowers VS Code devs to do visual stuff. The only thing VS is still good in. ... Got bored of writing more.
quadrifoliate 5y ago
It's not malice. Your non-technical boss who says "well, if we have 3 other developers developing that API with you, it should get it done in one fourth of the time, right?" is not malicious either. But this kind of a boss doesn't "get" it, and neither does Microsoft. They don't seriously understand the mindset behind an open source project, and I don't expect them to in the future either. So I avoid all Microsoft technologies, especially the lock-in ones like Visual Studio and .NET. I recommend you do as well.
- nathanaldensr 5y ago
  There is nothing "lock-in" about .NET Core/.NET 5+. In fact, as you can see from this whole Hot Reload kerfuffle, even Microsoft themselves doesn't always like the spirit of open source present on their own .NET team! .NET Framework is another story, and was (and still is) tightly coupled to Windows. It's the entire reason .NET Core was started as a separate open source effort. Honestly, we're lucky .NET Core was even allowed to live as long as it has. Now, it's philanthropic culture is directly butting heads with the profit-oriented culture of the Visual Studio team.
  - quadrifoliate 5y ago
    That's the thing – I don't understand why people will chain themselves to caring about all this when you acknowledge that “Microsoft themselves doesn't always like the spirit of open source present on their own .NET team!” Does .NET have some breakthrough features or support that other languages don't have? Are job opportunities better than, say, Java? I'm not understanding the upside here of following the Microsoft version of Keeping Up with the Kardashians.

oaiey 5y ago

It was done. It was first done and presented in dotnet watch. The community contributes a lot, why not letting them maintain it. VS fights a uphill battle to stay relevant. It empowers VS Code devs to do visual stuff. The only thing VS is still good in. ... Got bored of writing more.

quadrifoliate 5y ago

It's not malice. Your non-technical boss who says "well, if we have 3 other developers developing that API with you, it should get it done in one fourth of the time, right?" is not malicious either. But this kind of a boss doesn't "get" it, and neither does Microsoft. They don't seriously understand the mindset behind an open source project, and I don't expect them to in the future either. So I avoid all Microsoft technologies, especially the lock-in ones like Visual Studio and .NET. I recommend you do as well.

nathanaldensr 5y ago
There is nothing "lock-in" about .NET Core/.NET 5+. In fact, as you can see from this whole Hot Reload kerfuffle, even Microsoft themselves doesn't always like the spirit of open source present on their own .NET team! .NET Framework is another story, and was (and still is) tightly coupled to Windows. It's the entire reason .NET Core was started as a separate open source effort. Honestly, we're lucky .NET Core was even allowed to live as long as it has. Now, it's philanthropic culture is directly butting heads with the profit-oriented culture of the Visual Studio team.
- quadrifoliate 5y ago
  That's the thing – I don't understand why people will chain themselves to caring about all this when you acknowledge that “Microsoft themselves doesn't always like the spirit of open source present on their own .NET team!” Does .NET have some breakthrough features or support that other languages don't have? Are job opportunities better than, say, Java? I'm not understanding the upside here of following the Microsoft version of Keeping Up with the Kardashians.