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>> We underestimated the number of developers that are dependent upon this capability in their environments across scenarios, and how the CLI was being used alo
by ethbr0 5y ago
>> We underestimated the number of developers that are dependent upon this capability in their environments across scenarios, and how the CLI was being used alongside Visual Studio to drive inner loop productivity by many.
That's a very odd way to say "modern developers don't use Visual Studio."
- tomnipotent 5y agoAccording to the Stack Overflow developer survey, Visual Studio is still the second most-used IDE by professionals. Granted, SO has a very strong .NET community so there may be some bias.
- saghm 5y agoIDE specifically, or editor in general? The former wouldn't really surprise me since most of the editors I see friends and coworkers using aren't really IDEs per se; I mostly see people using VS Code, Vim, Sublime, and maybe emacs occasionally. The only IDEs people I know ever talk about using besides VS are Jetbrains products and I guess Xcode for iOS dev.
- tomnipotent 5y agohttps://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2021#section-most-popular-technologies-integrated-development-environment https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2021#section-most-...
- ComputerGuru 5y agoWow, (n)vim is just behind at 30% - I didn’t realize it was that high!
- blackoil 5y agoThis is not just for primary editor. So if I use VSCode as primary, IntelliJ for Java development and vim for server side/small file changes, I'll be counted in all 3.
- int_19h 5y agoVS Code has integrated builds, testing, and debugging. I would argue that, by any sensible definition of IDE, it's an IDE.
- saghm 5y agoI think it's possible to customize it to be an IDE in some cases, but at least for some languages, it's not one out of the box. I have no idea how most people use it, but it doesn't seem obvious to me that all or most users would necessarily use it as and consider it an IDE.
- int_19h 5y agoWell, out of the box, it really only supports JavaScript and TypeScript - and those two are at the level I'd consider to be an IDE (i.e. with debugging etc). Any other language requires an extension. But most major language extensions also provide a full suite of IDE services. Although sometimes that is spread across several different extensions - as with e.g. Java - but in that case, there's usually also an extension pack that gives you the unified experience.
- tomnipotent 5y ago> it's not one out of the box Then by that definition there are no IDE's.
- jpgvm 5y agoHN has a comparatively weak representation of C# and Visual Studio users (and "enterprise"/"big company" programmers as whole) so there is some inherent bias here against VS also.
- Rapzid 5y agoThe original rational was bullshit, no surprise the walk back is too.