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"Biden said the jab stopped the spread, it was lies. How you WOKE but you haven’t opened your eyes?"

by jfrunyon 5y ago

chroem- 5y ago
Are you implying that the lyric is wrong and the pandemic is over?
- enkid 5y ago
  The lyrics don't say the vaccine would stop the pandemic, it says it would stop the spread, which it does. You are changing the wording to make it seem more reasonable than it is.
  - JPKab 5y ago
    Fully vaccinated people are less likely to contract or spread the virus. There's no question about this currently with the present strains. However they do not at all halt the spread of the virus. Israel is a good example of this. As I have said elsewhere in this thread I don't agree with the lyrics in that video. I find the video itself to be childish and silly but that would basically be 99% of rap and pop music in general.
    - jfrunyon 5y ago
      They do halt the spread. See also: polio, smallpox. They have not halted the spread because of vaccine misinformation like this very video which you are defending.
chroem- 5y ago
Flagged for some reason, so I will post it again: Are you implying that the pandemic is over?
- city41 5y ago
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  - chroem- 5y ago
    But is the pandemic over? It's clearly not, and that was the point of the lyric. Countries with 90%+ vaccination rates are still having lockdowns because of breakthrough cases.
    - city41 5y ago
      You're adding things that aren't there. The lyrics are just "the jab stops the spread." That is true.
      - chroem- 5y ago
        I was unaware that we interpret poetry literally in 2021.
        city41 5y ago
        You're acting as if your interpretation is the only valid one. Since not everyone will interpret "the jab stops the spread" as "the pandemic is over", the best we can do is interpret "the jab stops the spread" as ... wait for it ... "the jab stops the spread".
        jakeva 5y ago
        My interpretation would be closer to "the jab slows the spread".
        city41 5y ago
        Yeah, to be fair that is probably a more accurate statement. Edit: and while we're here, here is politifact's take: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/14/joe-biden/joe-biden-overstates-effectiveness-vaccines-preven/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/14/joe-biden/... Concluding it's "half true" fits this thread well :)
yesbut 5y ago
> Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/ If I recall correctly, the Biden administration and the CDC both made public statements telling everyone that they would no longer need to continue wearing masks once they were vaccinated.
- gzer0 5y ago
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  - yesbut 5y ago
    Yes, vaccines prevent you from ending up in the ICU, but they aren't preventing the spread. Did you think the vaccines would prevent you from contracting covid? Wear your masks people.
    - u801e 5y ago
      You could make the same argument about any commonly administered vaccine if only 58% of the population are vaccinated. There were a number of outbreaks of measles several years ago when the localized percentage of people vaccinated dropped below 95%.
      - yesbut 5y ago
        In regards to covid-19 in particular: > Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/
        jfrunyon 5y ago
        And yet if you scroll just a bit further down you'll see a graph that shows significantly fewer cases in, say, counties with more than 60% fully vaccinated, compared to say, counties with 5-50%. Almost like there's this spot where, once you have enough people vaccinated, the virus can no longer spread. Hmm. Wonder why that could be. Certainly it couldn't possibly be exactly what experts have been telling us for the past century.
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"Biden said the jab stopped the spread, it was lies. How you WOKE but you haven’t opened your eyes?"

chroem- 5y ago

Are you implying that the lyric is wrong and the pandemic is over?

enkid 5y ago
The lyrics don't say the vaccine would stop the pandemic, it says it would stop the spread, which it does. You are changing the wording to make it seem more reasonable than it is.
- JPKab 5y ago
  Fully vaccinated people are less likely to contract or spread the virus. There's no question about this currently with the present strains. However they do not at all halt the spread of the virus. Israel is a good example of this. As I have said elsewhere in this thread I don't agree with the lyrics in that video. I find the video itself to be childish and silly but that would basically be 99% of rap and pop music in general.
  - jfrunyon 5y ago
    They do halt the spread. See also: polio, smallpox. They have not halted the spread because of vaccine misinformation like this very video which you are defending.

chroem- 5y ago

Flagged for some reason, so I will post it again: Are you implying that the pandemic is over?

city41 5y ago
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- chroem- 5y ago
  But is the pandemic over? It's clearly not, and that was the point of the lyric. Countries with 90%+ vaccination rates are still having lockdowns because of breakthrough cases.
  - city41 5y ago
    You're adding things that aren't there. The lyrics are just "the jab stops the spread." That is true.
    - chroem- 5y ago
      I was unaware that we interpret poetry literally in 2021.
      - city41 5y ago
        You're acting as if your interpretation is the only valid one. Since not everyone will interpret "the jab stops the spread" as "the pandemic is over", the best we can do is interpret "the jab stops the spread" as ... wait for it ... "the jab stops the spread".
        jakeva 5y ago
        My interpretation would be closer to "the jab slows the spread".
        city41 5y ago
        Yeah, to be fair that is probably a more accurate statement. Edit: and while we're here, here is politifact's take: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/14/joe-biden/joe-biden-overstates-effectiveness-vaccines-preven/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/14/joe-biden/... Concluding it's "half true" fits this thread well :)

yesbut 5y ago

> Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/ If I recall correctly, the Biden administration and the CDC both made public statements telling everyone that they would no longer need to continue wearing masks once they were vaccinated.

gzer0 5y ago
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- yesbut 5y ago
  Yes, vaccines prevent you from ending up in the ICU, but they aren't preventing the spread. Did you think the vaccines would prevent you from contracting covid? Wear your masks people.
  - u801e 5y ago
    You could make the same argument about any commonly administered vaccine if only 58% of the population are vaccinated. There were a number of outbreaks of measles several years ago when the localized percentage of people vaccinated dropped below 95%.
    - yesbut 5y ago
      In regards to covid-19 in particular: > Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/
      - jfrunyon 5y ago
        And yet if you scroll just a bit further down you'll see a graph that shows significantly fewer cases in, say, counties with more than 60% fully vaccinated, compared to say, counties with 5-50%. Almost like there's this spot where, once you have enough people vaccinated, the virus can no longer spread. Hmm. Wonder why that could be. Certainly it couldn't possibly be exactly what experts have been telling us for the past century.

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