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One interesting footnote about a specific type of longform content; recipes are categorically not under copyright in US law, but specific collections of them (l

One interesting footnote about a specific type of longform content; recipes are categorically not under copyright in US law, but specific collections of them (like a specific cookbook formatting) can be, and recipes are also theoretically copyrightable if they contain "substantial literary expression." Which is why most food blogs usually have a longform essay of some personal anecdote right before the actual recipe you're looking for.

867-5309 5y ago
I always thought that was simply for SEO
- doctorhandshake 5y ago
  I always thought it was to push the useful information as far down the page as possible so you have to scroll by a bunch of ads to get to it.
  - throwaway984393 5y ago
    It's also a sales tactic. Mary Jo Rose is selling you her story so that you will buy the idea that you should subscribe and keep reading her posts even if you have nothing to cook, and eventually use her Amazon link to get 10% off paper towels.
  - bobthepanda 5y ago
    This is worse with web but is old as time. It used to be common for ingredient sellers to issue recipe books that would extoll the value of their goods, trash their competitors', and the recipes would usually include the ingredient even if it didn't do anything for the particular food you were trying to make. (E.g. "our flour is pure, unadulterated, and not bleached using toxic ingredients unlike our competitors who also eat babies", which was a more effective marketing tactic before the existence of food regulatory authorities curbed the worst excesses.) The recipe on the side of the box is a much smaller-scale version of this.
  - 867-5309 5y ago
    yes, that would also serve SEO - longer on the web page + more content viewed = greater "engagement"
- bobthepanda 5y ago
  Even regular cookbooks these days will have a bit of fluff before the recipe for this purpose. Though in a cookbook pictures of food also serve this purpose. Some examples from cookbooks: https://www.maangchi.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/mul-naengmyeon-page.jpg https://www.maangchi.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/mul-naen... https://www.cookbookdivas.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Celebrate-with-Kim-Joy3.jpg https://www.cookbookdivas.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Cel...
  - 867-5309 5y ago
    I don't mind that so much because it's easy to skip the fluff - you can find the ingredients and method in under a second since no scrolling is involved I also wouldn't be surprised if the fluff is there because it was originally written for web and chanced upon finding a publisher
  - rchaud 5y ago
    I bought a $5 keto recipes book at my big-chain grocery store's checkout. It's a lot easier to just try a new recipe when it's not tied up inside a 100-comment Reddit thread debating its nutritional value.
daniel-s 5y ago
https://based.cooking/ https://based.cooking/ Just recipes; no stories, no bloat.
- KronisLV 5y ago
  The context behind why and how the site was created should be in Luke Smith's videos which are linked at the bottom of the page, in case anyone missed it: > About this site > Founded to provide a simple online cookbook without ads and obese web design. See the story of this site unfold in three videos: > https://odysee.com/@Luke:7/a-demonstration-of-modern-web-bloat:f https://odysee.com/@Luke:7/a-demonstration-of-modern-web-blo... > https://odysee.com/@Luke:7/the-war-against-web-bloat-continues...:a https://odysee.com/@Luke:7/the-war-against-web-bloat-continu... > https://odysee.com/@Luke:7/soydevs-destroyed-epic-style-by-based:6 https://odysee.com/@Luke:7/soydevs-destroyed-epic-style-by-b... I'm not sure i agree with Luke on everything, or even that his tone is always conductive to productive discussion, but there is definitely a lot of merit in creating small and fast websites without any unnecessary bloat nowadays. The "Website Obesity Crisis" presentation also has stuck with me ever since i ran into it: https://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm https://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm
  - TeeMassive 5y ago
    First video I watched on Odysee. I like the look and feel except for the Gay Spa Asian video suggestions lol
  - bscphil 5y ago
    I found it sort of funny, given that those links are apparently talking about modern web bloat, that I see a blank page when I visit them in a browser with JS disabled.
  - waterhouse 5y ago
    Oh no, the page in your last link seems to have linkrotted images. An arbitrarily grabbed version from the Internet Archive looks ok: http://web.archive.org/web/20180316071757/https://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm http://web.archive.org/web/20180316071757/https://idlewords....

867-5309 5y ago

I always thought that was simply for SEO

doctorhandshake 5y ago
I always thought it was to push the useful information as far down the page as possible so you have to scroll by a bunch of ads to get to it.
- throwaway984393 5y ago
  It's also a sales tactic. Mary Jo Rose is selling you her story so that you will buy the idea that you should subscribe and keep reading her posts even if you have nothing to cook, and eventually use her Amazon link to get 10% off paper towels.
- bobthepanda 5y ago
  This is worse with web but is old as time. It used to be common for ingredient sellers to issue recipe books that would extoll the value of their goods, trash their competitors', and the recipes would usually include the ingredient even if it didn't do anything for the particular food you were trying to make. (E.g. "our flour is pure, unadulterated, and not bleached using toxic ingredients unlike our competitors who also eat babies", which was a more effective marketing tactic before the existence of food regulatory authorities curbed the worst excesses.) The recipe on the side of the box is a much smaller-scale version of this.
- 867-5309 5y ago
  yes, that would also serve SEO - longer on the web page + more content viewed = greater "engagement"
bobthepanda 5y ago
Even regular cookbooks these days will have a bit of fluff before the recipe for this purpose. Though in a cookbook pictures of food also serve this purpose. Some examples from cookbooks: https://www.maangchi.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/mul-naengmyeon-page.jpg https://www.maangchi.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/mul-naen... https://www.cookbookdivas.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Celebrate-with-Kim-Joy3.jpg https://www.cookbookdivas.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Cel...
- 867-5309 5y ago
  I don't mind that so much because it's easy to skip the fluff - you can find the ingredients and method in under a second since no scrolling is involved I also wouldn't be surprised if the fluff is there because it was originally written for web and chanced upon finding a publisher
- rchaud 5y ago
  I bought a $5 keto recipes book at my big-chain grocery store's checkout. It's a lot easier to just try a new recipe when it's not tied up inside a 100-comment Reddit thread debating its nutritional value.

daniel-s 5y ago

https://based.cooking/ https://based.cooking/ Just recipes; no stories, no bloat.

KronisLV 5y ago
The context behind why and how the site was created should be in Luke Smith's videos which are linked at the bottom of the page, in case anyone missed it: > About this site > Founded to provide a simple online cookbook without ads and obese web design. See the story of this site unfold in three videos: > https://odysee.com/@Luke:7/a-demonstration-of-modern-web-bloat:f https://odysee.com/@Luke:7/a-demonstration-of-modern-web-blo... > https://odysee.com/@Luke:7/the-war-against-web-bloat-continues...:a https://odysee.com/@Luke:7/the-war-against-web-bloat-continu... > https://odysee.com/@Luke:7/soydevs-destroyed-epic-style-by-based:6 https://odysee.com/@Luke:7/soydevs-destroyed-epic-style-by-b... I'm not sure i agree with Luke on everything, or even that his tone is always conductive to productive discussion, but there is definitely a lot of merit in creating small and fast websites without any unnecessary bloat nowadays. The "Website Obesity Crisis" presentation also has stuck with me ever since i ran into it: https://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm https://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm
- TeeMassive 5y ago
  First video I watched on Odysee. I like the look and feel except for the Gay Spa Asian video suggestions lol
- bscphil 5y ago
  I found it sort of funny, given that those links are apparently talking about modern web bloat, that I see a blank page when I visit them in a browser with JS disabled.
- waterhouse 5y ago
  Oh no, the page in your last link seems to have linkrotted images. An arbitrarily grabbed version from the Internet Archive looks ok: http://web.archive.org/web/20180316071757/https://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm http://web.archive.org/web/20180316071757/https://idlewords....