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The law is responsible for being just and reasonable, and not fining people for things they have no control over. There's no sure way to verify that a user is o

The law is responsible for being just and reasonable, and not fining people for things they have no control over. There's no sure way to verify that a user is over 18[1], and I do believe that there's responsibility on parents to be monitoring their children - That if a 13 year old is creating accounts on over-18 websites, it is partially the parent's failing for allowing them too much unmonitored access. Quite frankly: I want 17 year olds to use Tinder, figure out how it works, and understand the problems therein. I want kids to be able to tip their toe in anonymously to adult activities. Any hard-line requirements create a nice hard line - People who have no experience with X, and people who are expected to be experts with X - And that's how you create a feeding ground for predators. 17 year olds don't have to be able to recognize that a 40-year old man who's hitting on them despite the fact the 17 year old lied about their age is not a quality catch - They have to have support networks and enough opportunity to test the waters to figure that out before they get caught in a predator's web. One of the most important tools towards that is the ability to create anonymous accounts and explore, with understanding but without consequences. [1] I won't iterate over the ways that is true, and I won't iterate over the ways that your perfect age verification is either a) broken or b) totalitarian and broken.

jfk13 5y ago
> Quite frankly: I want 17 year olds to use Tinder... How about 16 yr olds? 15? 13? 10? 7? Should we draw a line for "dipping their toe anonymously in adult activities" somewhere, or should that line simply not exist? Do you believe that every 13 yr old is in fact being appropriately monitored by parents? If not, should there be some safeguards to mitigate the fact that in practice this is not reliable?
- bostik 5y ago
  > How about 16 yr olds? 15? 13? 10? 7? Should we draw a line for "dipping their toe anonymously in adult activities" somewhere [...]? Age of consent differs across countries. So yes, different countries and jurisdictions already draw a line for various adult activities. They also disagree what those lines should be and where they should be drawn. Reality is messy.
  - GauntletWizard 5y ago
    Quite frankly: that line should be parents to draw and enforce, within reason. The liability should not be on the dating sites to prevent it from happening, not should they be forgiven for ignoring it when it does happen and it's brought to their attention. I'm in the unenviable situation of having had one of my big projects shut down for precisely this reason: it's too expensive to moderate sites that kids may use. The reason for that is actually very simple, proved by data, and verboten to say.
6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago
> There's no sure way to verify that a user is over 18 This is like a bar complaining that they shouldn’t have to check ids because counterfeits exist. You can’t serve your customers At Scale if you have to comply with those pesky laws, so maybe don’t do it at scale.
- spaced-out 5y ago
  Disagree, people should be allowed to open up social media accounts without showing ID. Anonymous speech is important too.

jfk13 5y ago

> Quite frankly: I want 17 year olds to use Tinder... How about 16 yr olds? 15? 13? 10? 7? Should we draw a line for "dipping their toe anonymously in adult activities" somewhere, or should that line simply not exist? Do you believe that every 13 yr old is in fact being appropriately monitored by parents? If not, should there be some safeguards to mitigate the fact that in practice this is not reliable?

bostik 5y ago
> How about 16 yr olds? 15? 13? 10? 7? Should we draw a line for "dipping their toe anonymously in adult activities" somewhere [...]? Age of consent differs across countries. So yes, different countries and jurisdictions already draw a line for various adult activities. They also disagree what those lines should be and where they should be drawn. Reality is messy.
- GauntletWizard 5y ago
  Quite frankly: that line should be parents to draw and enforce, within reason. The liability should not be on the dating sites to prevent it from happening, not should they be forgiven for ignoring it when it does happen and it's brought to their attention. I'm in the unenviable situation of having had one of my big projects shut down for precisely this reason: it's too expensive to moderate sites that kids may use. The reason for that is actually very simple, proved by data, and verboten to say.

6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago

> There's no sure way to verify that a user is over 18 This is like a bar complaining that they shouldn’t have to check ids because counterfeits exist. You can’t serve your customers At Scale if you have to comply with those pesky laws, so maybe don’t do it at scale.

spaced-out 5y ago
Disagree, people should be allowed to open up social media accounts without showing ID. Anonymous speech is important too.