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Here's the issue. Google can use private data in the US to design a model such as say a personal voice assistant. It then deploys this model in the EU and then

Here's the issue. Google can use private data in the US to design a model such as say a personal voice assistant. It then deploys this model in the EU and then uses no EU private data either for training or running it live. Google can then use non-private data to adjust the model to the EU market. A company in the EU has to design the whole model with no private data which means they will have more difficulty competing with Google rather than less.

kevingadd 5y ago
Poverty wages, child labor, ignoring emissions regulations, evading taxes, etc are all ways a company could improve margins and charge lower prices. That doesn't mean you want to legalize all of that just to compete in the global market.
- marcinzm 5y ago
  Why do you put words in my mouth that we should legalize something when I said nothing of the kind? If this is how you react when someone points out flaws with a legislative approach then good luck ever getting one that isn't flawed.
- pessimizer 5y ago
  It's ultimately going to be a race to the bottom if you allow companies who engage in those practices all over the world into your market on even terms. That's honestly what tariffs are for. Tax your citizens for engaging in commerce with companies that gain efficiencies through operating in ways that disagree with local values.
  - MichaelZuo 5y ago
    Couldn’t you use the same line of argument for tariffs on a vast number of imports? (Electronics, software, services, etc.) It could even extend to most consumer product. e.g. Some obscure chemical compound for plastics is much more costly to produce in an environmentally friendly way, therefore it’s nearly all produced in the least regulated jurisdictions, therefore the compound and all derivative products have to be tariffed from those jurisdictions?
MisterBastahrd 5y ago
That would only work for the percentage of the European population who uses English as their primary language. It'd be damned near useless.
- marcinzm 5y ago
  I already noted that and plenty of languages are spoken outside the EU aside from just English. >Google can then use non-private data to adjust the model to the EU market. Google can do everything a EU-only company can do. They can also do things a EU-only company cannot do. The reverse is not true. So at worst they'll be roughly as good and at best much better.
  - throwawayay02 5y ago
    And why is the company EU-only? What X-only company is trying to compete with Google anyways?
  - MisterBastahrd 5y ago
    No they won't. There are regional differences between the same language that can be pretty severe, all the way down to the pronoun level. So, no they can't.
    - marcinzm 5y ago
      I don't think you understand the point. Google can get all the same data as an EU company. They literally can do the same job an an EU company by simply not leveraging US data. The fact they have US data doesn't mean they are forbidden of getting EU compliant data like any other company. They can also get US data that doesn't follow EU privacy requirements. So Google has two source of data they can combine into a better product.
    - jboy55 5y ago
      The same goes for the US. but there are always regional differences, the bigger point is that people are not just a simple lookup table, they can adapt to a personal assistant that only understands an imperfect understanding by changing they way they speak to the device. People will do this without even being conscious of it.

kevingadd 5y ago

Poverty wages, child labor, ignoring emissions regulations, evading taxes, etc are all ways a company could improve margins and charge lower prices. That doesn't mean you want to legalize all of that just to compete in the global market.

marcinzm 5y ago
Why do you put words in my mouth that we should legalize something when I said nothing of the kind? If this is how you react when someone points out flaws with a legislative approach then good luck ever getting one that isn't flawed.
pessimizer 5y ago
It's ultimately going to be a race to the bottom if you allow companies who engage in those practices all over the world into your market on even terms. That's honestly what tariffs are for. Tax your citizens for engaging in commerce with companies that gain efficiencies through operating in ways that disagree with local values.
- MichaelZuo 5y ago
  Couldn’t you use the same line of argument for tariffs on a vast number of imports? (Electronics, software, services, etc.) It could even extend to most consumer product. e.g. Some obscure chemical compound for plastics is much more costly to produce in an environmentally friendly way, therefore it’s nearly all produced in the least regulated jurisdictions, therefore the compound and all derivative products have to be tariffed from those jurisdictions?

MisterBastahrd 5y ago

That would only work for the percentage of the European population who uses English as their primary language. It'd be damned near useless.

marcinzm 5y ago
I already noted that and plenty of languages are spoken outside the EU aside from just English. >Google can then use non-private data to adjust the model to the EU market. Google can do everything a EU-only company can do. They can also do things a EU-only company cannot do. The reverse is not true. So at worst they'll be roughly as good and at best much better.
- throwawayay02 5y ago
  And why is the company EU-only? What X-only company is trying to compete with Google anyways?
- MisterBastahrd 5y ago
  No they won't. There are regional differences between the same language that can be pretty severe, all the way down to the pronoun level. So, no they can't.
  - marcinzm 5y ago
    I don't think you understand the point. Google can get all the same data as an EU company. They literally can do the same job an an EU company by simply not leveraging US data. The fact they have US data doesn't mean they are forbidden of getting EU compliant data like any other company. They can also get US data that doesn't follow EU privacy requirements. So Google has two source of data they can combine into a better product.
  - jboy55 5y ago
    The same goes for the US. but there are always regional differences, the bigger point is that people are not just a simple lookup table, they can adapt to a personal assistant that only understands an imperfect understanding by changing they way they speak to the device. People will do this without even being conscious of it.