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YouTube's bar for "medical misinfo" ladies and gentlemen...

by ajvs 5y ago

SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
What is the substance of your argument: that the "pandemic" is not a medical matter, or that "ain't real" is not misinfo?
- deleted 5y ago
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- pfortuny 5y ago
  That it does not even qualify as “info”…
- h2odragon 5y ago
  I could argue that this "pandemic" is not of actual severity sufficient to require the responses; and "it ain't real" is an opinion being voiced, which is more important than a duty to "protect the public from misinformation". But I'm not. The proper counter argument to this Stalinist "you can't say that," bullshit is to keep saying it, louder. I would also like to quote NWA: "Fuck the Police"
  - 0des 5y ago
    I'd also like to add Public Enemy's "Fight The Power!" as a timeless classic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmo3HFa2vjg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmo3HFa2vjg
  - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
    > this Stalinist "you can't say that," bullshit is to keep saying it, louder. So you don't dispute that it is disinformation. Is idea that is that someone refusing to host disinformation is a good reason to disinform, louder?
    - h2odragon 5y ago
      I dispute that disinformation or not is a reason for censoring it. And I dispute the repute of those labeling things "disinformation", specifically.
      - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
        I think it's childish to act like you're being wronged, and threatening a defiant tantrum "this is Stalinist bullshit, keep saying it, louder" in response to someone else deciding not to host some disinformation. Are you truly the victim today, in this pandemic?
        Levitz 5y ago
        He is being wronged, as are you. Each and every time a company takes freedom away from their users they are being wronged, and when the company is as big as Youtube then we all get wronged. The "defiant tantrum" is simply taking the stance that that is not admisible, how you consider that to be childish behavior I don't even know. >Are you truly the victim today, in this pandemic? So give up freedoms, for the common good. Now that's rich.
        bloopernova 5y ago
        You don't have the freedom to murder, enslave, or kidnap. I don't think you should have the freedom to spread a deadly disease. Especially since COVID-19 spreads without symptoms, we have to prioritize prevention. Besides, we've had our freedoms eroded time and again since the World Trade Centre attacks. Why are some Americans choosing now to draw a line in the sand? Because previously the laws were targeting brown skinned people. And now there's a Democrat in charge, so Republicans want to cause strife and division to get elected in 2022 and 2024.
        h2odragon 5y ago
        I've been saying things like this since 1991 and before; so its not just "choosing now to draw a line in the sand". Back then it was "Politically Correct is just being sensitive, it's nothing like censorship" ... The goals keep creeping but the justifications are always the same: People have to be saved from themselves!
- trident5000 5y ago
  Categorizing something this broad and nonchalant from a joke rap video as medical misinformation is an obvious wrong-think power grab.
- fortytwo79 5y ago
  I think the full lyric here is actually "pandemic ain't real, they just planned it." The meaning and intent of the lyrics are open to interpretation, but I think the latter part of the lyric implies political commentary rather than medical commentary. Also, I think we need a tighter definition of "medical misinformation." Is it to promote anything that is medically harmful? Well, then why can musicians sing endlessly about drugs and unsafe sex? What about videos on non-fda regulated vitamins and minerals, or weight loss solutions? Surely most doctors wouldn't advise taking recreational drugs, or jumping on to the latest weight loss magic pill. And yes, YouTube is a private enterprise. But we can still, as a society, openly dialog on what we think is wrong with their practices.
- matheusmoreira 5y ago
  It's a song, not a scientific journal article.
  - bloopernova 5y ago
    People spread misinformation through memes or image macros. Why should songs be considered differently? There's a segment of the US population that believes and spreads the harmful misinformation in memes and YouTube videos. That's all well and good when talking about aliens building pyramids or whatever. But currently we have this same segment of the population refusing to get vaccinated, mask up, wash their hands, etc etc. Those actions are harmful to society as a whole and should be treated like the attacks they are. As someone with lung issues, it angers me deeply that there's millions of Americans who couldn't give the tiniest shit to take actions that might save my life.
    - OrangeMonkey 5y ago
      Comedy, Music, The Arts - things I don't want the ruling class of the day to suspend and police. The parties go back and forth every so often - it used to be the conservatives who wanted to censor music, now its the liberals. Its tiring. I want off Mr. Bones Wild Ride.
    - matheusmoreira 5y ago
      > we have this same segment of the population refusing to get vaccinated As is their right. People should be able to make informed decisions about whether they get an injection. Especially right now in this pandemic. We're still studying the vaccines and their effects on people. Nobody knows for sure their risk/benefit profiles yet, there hasn't been enough time to draw definitive conclusions. It's entirely possible that these vaccines have risks we don't know about, or are only worth using on certain populations such as the elderly. People who decide to take vaccines need to do so informed of these facts. Misleading the public about this will only strengthen conspiracy theories and lead to even worse outcomes. > mask up, wash their hands, etc etc. Yeah, I agree that's stupid. There's no risk to washing hands or wearing masks. Nothing wrong with refusing to associate with people who won't even practice basic hygiene. > Those actions are harmful to society as a whole and should be treated like the attacks they are. They may be harmful but that doesn't mean people should be oppressed because of it.
- louloulou 5y ago
  I only get my medical advice from rap music, so I for one am glad youtube has provided me with this safety net. I hope they target the misinfo on how to safely fuck hoes next - that could also use some correction.
- will4274 5y ago
  The virus is real. "The pandemic" in popular culture includes both the actual virus and the response to it. "Ain't real" is also an incredibly interpret-able phrase. If somebody said to me "homosexuality isn't real" - I wouldn't think they meant nobody had ever had gay sex - I'd have to guess at their meaning, but it'd probably come out to something like "sexual preference isn't innate". Similarly, if somebody were to say to me that the pandemic wasn't real, I would understand that the concept they were trying to express is probably closer to the idea that the severity of government intervention or perhaps the intensity of media hype was unwarranted - not that the virus didn't exist. Whether or not the responses were appropriately sized aren't "medical" questions - they are political / sociological questions. I'd prefer that, particularly in music, which has a rich history of slang, multiple meanings, and political commentary, we lean in the direction of permitting speech, to avoid censoring political commentary. In this particular case, when the chorus and title "Let's go Brandon" are CLEARLY political commentary, the chance that the work as a whole is political commentary (as opposed to "medical information") is further increased.
pauldenton 5y ago
How does this apply to other rap songs? When they talk about killing people and selling drugs are we supposed to call the police? Are we supposed to believe those lines as literally true as well?

YouTube's bar for "medical misinfo" ladies and gentlemen...

by ajvs 5y ago

YouTube's bar for "medical misinfo" ladies and gentlemen...

What is the substance of your argument: that the "pandemic" is not a medical matter, or that "ain't real" is not misinfo?

deleted 5y ago
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pfortuny 5y ago
That it does not even qualify as “info”…
h2odragon 5y ago
I could argue that this "pandemic" is not of actual severity sufficient to require the responses; and "it ain't real" is an opinion being voiced, which is more important than a duty to "protect the public from misinformation". But I'm not. The proper counter argument to this Stalinist "you can't say that," bullshit is to keep saying it, louder. I would also like to quote NWA: "Fuck the Police"
- 0des 5y ago
  I'd also like to add Public Enemy's "Fight The Power!" as a timeless classic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmo3HFa2vjg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmo3HFa2vjg
- SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
  > this Stalinist "you can't say that," bullshit is to keep saying it, louder. So you don't dispute that it is disinformation. Is idea that is that someone refusing to host disinformation is a good reason to disinform, louder?
  - h2odragon 5y ago
    I dispute that disinformation or not is a reason for censoring it. And I dispute the repute of those labeling things "disinformation", specifically.
    - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
      I think it's childish to act like you're being wronged, and threatening a defiant tantrum "this is Stalinist bullshit, keep saying it, louder" in response to someone else deciding not to host some disinformation. Are you truly the victim today, in this pandemic?
      - Levitz 5y ago
        He is being wronged, as are you. Each and every time a company takes freedom away from their users they are being wronged, and when the company is as big as Youtube then we all get wronged. The "defiant tantrum" is simply taking the stance that that is not admisible, how you consider that to be childish behavior I don't even know. >Are you truly the victim today, in this pandemic? So give up freedoms, for the common good. Now that's rich.
        bloopernova 5y ago
        You don't have the freedom to murder, enslave, or kidnap. I don't think you should have the freedom to spread a deadly disease. Especially since COVID-19 spreads without symptoms, we have to prioritize prevention. Besides, we've had our freedoms eroded time and again since the World Trade Centre attacks. Why are some Americans choosing now to draw a line in the sand? Because previously the laws were targeting brown skinned people. And now there's a Democrat in charge, so Republicans want to cause strife and division to get elected in 2022 and 2024.
        h2odragon 5y ago
        I've been saying things like this since 1991 and before; so its not just "choosing now to draw a line in the sand". Back then it was "Politically Correct is just being sensitive, it's nothing like censorship" ... The goals keep creeping but the justifications are always the same: People have to be saved from themselves!
trident5000 5y ago
Categorizing something this broad and nonchalant from a joke rap video as medical misinformation is an obvious wrong-think power grab.
fortytwo79 5y ago
I think the full lyric here is actually "pandemic ain't real, they just planned it." The meaning and intent of the lyrics are open to interpretation, but I think the latter part of the lyric implies political commentary rather than medical commentary. Also, I think we need a tighter definition of "medical misinformation." Is it to promote anything that is medically harmful? Well, then why can musicians sing endlessly about drugs and unsafe sex? What about videos on non-fda regulated vitamins and minerals, or weight loss solutions? Surely most doctors wouldn't advise taking recreational drugs, or jumping on to the latest weight loss magic pill. And yes, YouTube is a private enterprise. But we can still, as a society, openly dialog on what we think is wrong with their practices.
matheusmoreira 5y ago
It's a song, not a scientific journal article.
- bloopernova 5y ago
  People spread misinformation through memes or image macros. Why should songs be considered differently? There's a segment of the US population that believes and spreads the harmful misinformation in memes and YouTube videos. That's all well and good when talking about aliens building pyramids or whatever. But currently we have this same segment of the population refusing to get vaccinated, mask up, wash their hands, etc etc. Those actions are harmful to society as a whole and should be treated like the attacks they are. As someone with lung issues, it angers me deeply that there's millions of Americans who couldn't give the tiniest shit to take actions that might save my life.
  - OrangeMonkey 5y ago
    Comedy, Music, The Arts - things I don't want the ruling class of the day to suspend and police. The parties go back and forth every so often - it used to be the conservatives who wanted to censor music, now its the liberals. Its tiring. I want off Mr. Bones Wild Ride.
  - matheusmoreira 5y ago
    > we have this same segment of the population refusing to get vaccinated As is their right. People should be able to make informed decisions about whether they get an injection. Especially right now in this pandemic. We're still studying the vaccines and their effects on people. Nobody knows for sure their risk/benefit profiles yet, there hasn't been enough time to draw definitive conclusions. It's entirely possible that these vaccines have risks we don't know about, or are only worth using on certain populations such as the elderly. People who decide to take vaccines need to do so informed of these facts. Misleading the public about this will only strengthen conspiracy theories and lead to even worse outcomes. > mask up, wash their hands, etc etc. Yeah, I agree that's stupid. There's no risk to washing hands or wearing masks. Nothing wrong with refusing to associate with people who won't even practice basic hygiene. > Those actions are harmful to society as a whole and should be treated like the attacks they are. They may be harmful but that doesn't mean people should be oppressed because of it.
louloulou 5y ago
I only get my medical advice from rap music, so I for one am glad youtube has provided me with this safety net. I hope they target the misinfo on how to safely fuck hoes next - that could also use some correction.
will4274 5y ago
The virus is real. "The pandemic" in popular culture includes both the actual virus and the response to it. "Ain't real" is also an incredibly interpret-able phrase. If somebody said to me "homosexuality isn't real" - I wouldn't think they meant nobody had ever had gay sex - I'd have to guess at their meaning, but it'd probably come out to something like "sexual preference isn't innate". Similarly, if somebody were to say to me that the pandemic wasn't real, I would understand that the concept they were trying to express is probably closer to the idea that the severity of government intervention or perhaps the intensity of media hype was unwarranted - not that the virus didn't exist. Whether or not the responses were appropriately sized aren't "medical" questions - they are political / sociological questions. I'd prefer that, particularly in music, which has a rich history of slang, multiple meanings, and political commentary, we lean in the direction of permitting speech, to avoid censoring political commentary. In this particular case, when the chorus and title "Let's go Brandon" are CLEARLY political commentary, the chance that the work as a whole is political commentary (as opposed to "medical information") is further increased.

pauldenton 5y ago

How does this apply to other rap songs? When they talk about killing people and selling drugs are we supposed to call the police? Are we supposed to believe those lines as literally true as well?