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I like the author's explanation for why he and his wife haven't gotten vaccinated: her doctor told her to wait until after she had the baby, which is understand

I like the author's explanation for why he and his wife haven't gotten vaccinated: her doctor told her to wait until after she had the baby, which is understandable I guess. But why does that mean that the husband wouldn't get vaccinated? Why aren't they worried about him bringing covid home to his pregnant wife? The authors claim that he supports getting vaccinated, but only doesn't support vaccine mandates, is not congruous with his actions. He has no reason not to do it other than being a CHUD. Of course there is pressure from the government to get vaccinated. We're talking about public health. It's not a personal decision anymore than the MMR or polio vaccines.

AndrewUnmuted 5y ago
> It's not a personal decision anymore than the MMR or polio vaccines. The world will be made by the people browsing HN. Programmers will be the new blue collar workers whose decisions will impact our infrastructure more than almost anybody. Holding views like this is a scary proposition for the new world we're entering. I am deeply disturbed by how pronounced the desire for authoritarianism is among this group of individuals. We are supposed to be better than this. Free software is all about freedom - not conformity. It is about having the freedom to maintain one's privacy and not having to explain yourself for wanting to maintain that position. The code is the code, but motivations for that code are wholly irrelevant. Instead we appear to be drifting in the direction of "open source" - full of wining babies who demand things from the select few with the actual talent with complete disregard for other people's rights, motivations, talents, and interests. It's a miracle that installing McAfee Antivirus software on our computers was never a government-mandated law.
_dain_ 5y ago
>It's not a personal decision anymore than the MMR or polio vaccines. I am tired of this false equivalence. Shall we compare them? The MMR and polio vaccines: - are very effective - give lifelong immunity - target very dangerous diseases - diseases which are particularly dangerous to children The Corona vaccines: - are mildly effective (they reduce symptoms certainly, but infections are still very common among the vaccinated, and so is spread) - immunity fades rapidly - target a disease which is not that dangerous - and is particularly not-dangerous for children I can see why it may be justifiable to mandate MMR and polio shots (though actually, where I live neither are mandated). The people most at risk (children) are not able to give consent, so it is arguably justifiable for the state to override parental wishes in such cases. I cannot see how it is justifiable to mandate the corona vaccines. The people who are actually at serious risk are perfectly capable of giving consent -- or not. Forcing it is a violation of bodily autonomy, pure and simple. "Public health" cannot be a universal excuse to tell people what to do. Obesity is also a major risk factor for coronavirus; are we also going to bar fat people from participation in society, on the excuse that they are burdening the health system?
- raverbashing 5y ago
  > are mildly effective Are very effective in preventing serious disease > target a disease which is not that dangerous The 700k dead in the US might disagree (I mean, those that didn't die neck deep in the mud believing it to be a mere puddle)
  - _dain_ 5y ago
    They don't reliably stop you from contracting it, they don't reliably stop you from spreading it, they don't reliably stop symptoms. They are "mildly effective" by any reasonable comparison to any decent pre-existing vaccine (no, the flu vaccine doesn't count). And they are getting less effective by the day. Already we are hearing talk of third, fourth, fifth booster shots -- for a vaccine that is less than a year old. Have you ever heard of such a thing before, for any other shot? As for 700k deaths -- yes, 700k mostly old, mostly already unhealthy deaths in a country of 320 million people, tallied across two years. This is not a civilization-ending plague. Moreover, almost all of the at-risk demographic already has been vaccinated. So if they are as effective as you imply, what is the justification for forcing it on everyone else? You cannot simultaneously claim that they are so effective, and at the same time that everyone must be vaccinated in order to protect the at-risk people who are themselves already vaccinated. It is a deranged contradiction.
    - bryanlarsen 5y ago
      2.7% of the population is immunocompromised. That's who the vaccine mandates are protecting. https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/871290 https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/871290 As the father two premature children who were highly immunocompromised for the first 6 months of their life or so, this is a very personal issue.
      - _dain_ 5y ago
        That immunocompromised portion of the population are not going to be protected either way. Did you not read what I said? The vaccine does not prevent transmission! Herd immunity will not happen with such a leaky vaccine.
HamburgerEmoji 5y ago
> He has no reason not to do it other than being a CHUD. There are perfectly valid concerns being raised by experts in the field. If you don't have time to watch this, there are slides. https://rumble.com/vnbv86-winning-the-war-against-therapeutic-nihilism-and-trusted-treatments-vs-unte.html https://rumble.com/vnbv86-winning-the-war-against-therapeuti... More slides: https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf
- 0des 5y ago
  Hello, it appears your account may be shadowbanned.
mStreamTeam 5y ago
Just a reminder. Medical consent is your right. And you have the right to say no. Anyone using fear and negativity is no better than a sleazy pick up artist.
- schwartzworld 5y ago
  Of course you have the right to say no, but businesses and governments have the right to limit where you can go since your actions will affect others.
  - mStreamTeam 5y ago
    We put weinsten in jail for using his influence to get women to give up their consent. Do you think Weinstein was innocent?
    - dang 5y ago
      Please do not take HN threads further into flamewar hell. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - schwartzworld 5y ago
      Definitely the same thing. No hyperbole here. If you support vaccines, you support serial rapists.
      - mStreamTeam 5y ago
        You didn't answer the question... Right now it sounds like you support politicians and business owners using their influence to coerce others to give up consent
        schwartzworld 5y ago
        I support my kids (who aren't old enough to get vaccinated yet) not catching covid before they can get vaccinated themselves.

AndrewUnmuted 5y ago

> It's not a personal decision anymore than the MMR or polio vaccines. The world will be made by the people browsing HN. Programmers will be the new blue collar workers whose decisions will impact our infrastructure more than almost anybody. Holding views like this is a scary proposition for the new world we're entering. I am deeply disturbed by how pronounced the desire for authoritarianism is among this group of individuals. We are supposed to be better than this. Free software is all about freedom - not conformity. It is about having the freedom to maintain one's privacy and not having to explain yourself for wanting to maintain that position. The code is the code, but motivations for that code are wholly irrelevant. Instead we appear to be drifting in the direction of "open source" - full of wining babies who demand things from the select few with the actual talent with complete disregard for other people's rights, motivations, talents, and interests. It's a miracle that installing McAfee Antivirus software on our computers was never a government-mandated law.

_dain_ 5y ago

>It's not a personal decision anymore than the MMR or polio vaccines. I am tired of this false equivalence. Shall we compare them? The MMR and polio vaccines: - are very effective - give lifelong immunity - target very dangerous diseases - diseases which are particularly dangerous to children The Corona vaccines: - are mildly effective (they reduce symptoms certainly, but infections are still very common among the vaccinated, and so is spread) - immunity fades rapidly - target a disease which is not that dangerous - and is particularly not-dangerous for children I can see why it may be justifiable to mandate MMR and polio shots (though actually, where I live neither are mandated). The people most at risk (children) are not able to give consent, so it is arguably justifiable for the state to override parental wishes in such cases. I cannot see how it is justifiable to mandate the corona vaccines. The people who are actually at serious risk are perfectly capable of giving consent -- or not. Forcing it is a violation of bodily autonomy, pure and simple. "Public health" cannot be a universal excuse to tell people what to do. Obesity is also a major risk factor for coronavirus; are we also going to bar fat people from participation in society, on the excuse that they are burdening the health system?

raverbashing 5y ago
> are mildly effective Are very effective in preventing serious disease > target a disease which is not that dangerous The 700k dead in the US might disagree (I mean, those that didn't die neck deep in the mud believing it to be a mere puddle)
- _dain_ 5y ago
  They don't reliably stop you from contracting it, they don't reliably stop you from spreading it, they don't reliably stop symptoms. They are "mildly effective" by any reasonable comparison to any decent pre-existing vaccine (no, the flu vaccine doesn't count). And they are getting less effective by the day. Already we are hearing talk of third, fourth, fifth booster shots -- for a vaccine that is less than a year old. Have you ever heard of such a thing before, for any other shot? As for 700k deaths -- yes, 700k mostly old, mostly already unhealthy deaths in a country of 320 million people, tallied across two years. This is not a civilization-ending plague. Moreover, almost all of the at-risk demographic already has been vaccinated. So if they are as effective as you imply, what is the justification for forcing it on everyone else? You cannot simultaneously claim that they are so effective, and at the same time that everyone must be vaccinated in order to protect the at-risk people who are themselves already vaccinated. It is a deranged contradiction.
  - bryanlarsen 5y ago
    2.7% of the population is immunocompromised. That's who the vaccine mandates are protecting. https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/871290 https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/871290 As the father two premature children who were highly immunocompromised for the first 6 months of their life or so, this is a very personal issue.
    - _dain_ 5y ago
      That immunocompromised portion of the population are not going to be protected either way. Did you not read what I said? The vaccine does not prevent transmission! Herd immunity will not happen with such a leaky vaccine.

HamburgerEmoji 5y ago

> He has no reason not to do it other than being a CHUD. There are perfectly valid concerns being raised by experts in the field. If you don't have time to watch this, there are slides. https://rumble.com/vnbv86-winning-the-war-against-therapeutic-nihilism-and-trusted-treatments-vs-unte.html https://rumble.com/vnbv86-winning-the-war-against-therapeuti... More slides: https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf

0des 5y ago
Hello, it appears your account may be shadowbanned.

mStreamTeam 5y ago

Just a reminder. Medical consent is your right. And you have the right to say no. Anyone using fear and negativity is no better than a sleazy pick up artist.

schwartzworld 5y ago
Of course you have the right to say no, but businesses and governments have the right to limit where you can go since your actions will affect others.
- mStreamTeam 5y ago
  We put weinsten in jail for using his influence to get women to give up their consent. Do you think Weinstein was innocent?
  - dang 5y ago
    Please do not take HN threads further into flamewar hell. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - schwartzworld 5y ago
    Definitely the same thing. No hyperbole here. If you support vaccines, you support serial rapists.
    - mStreamTeam 5y ago
      You didn't answer the question... Right now it sounds like you support politicians and business owners using their influence to coerce others to give up consent
      - schwartzworld 5y ago
        I support my kids (who aren't old enough to get vaccinated yet) not catching covid before they can get vaccinated themselves.